and the phone rang and I heard,

電話響起　我接到消息說：

"Hey, JR,

『喂, JR,

you won the TED Prize 2011.

你贏得了TED2011大獎。

You have to make a wish to save the world."

你要為拯救世界而許願。』

I was lost.

我頓時不知所措。

I mean, I can't save the world. Nobody can.

我無法拯救世界, 沒有人可以。

The world is fucked up.

世界整個亂了套

Come on, you have dictators ruling the world,

我們看到獨裁者統治世界

population is growing by millions,

人口以百萬增加,

there's no more fish in the sea,

海裡已經沒有魚了,

the North Pole is melting

北極也在融化,

and as the last TED Prize winner said,

上個TED大獎得主還說

we're all becoming fat.

每個人都愈來愈胖

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Except maybe French people.

也許除了法國人罷。

Whatever.

諸如此類。

So I called back

於是, 我回覆電話

and I told her,

我告訴她,

"Look, Amy,

「聽著, Amy,

tell the TED guys I just won't show up.

告訴TED 那群人我不會出席，

I can't do anything to save the world."

我沒辦法拯救世界。」

She said, "Hey, JR,

她說: 喂, 『JR,

your wish is not to save the world, but to change the world."

你的願望不是拯救世界, 而是在改變世界。』

"Oh, all right."

『噢, 那好的。』

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

"That's cool."

『這很好。』

I mean, technology, politics, business

我的意思是, 科技, 政治, 商業

do change the world --

可以改變世界--

not always in a good way, but they do.

並非總是有益，但的確在改變世界。

What about art?

那麼藝術呢？

Could art change the world?

藝術可以改變世界嗎?

I started when I was 15 years old.

我十五歲開始創作

And at that time, I was not thinking about changing the world.

那時我並不是為了想改變世界

I was doing graffiti --

我喜歡塗鴉，

writing my name everywhere,

在四處畫下自己的名字

using the city as a canvas.

把城市當做畫布。

I was going in the tunnels of Paris,

我與朋友走過巴黎的地下道

on the rooftops with my friends.

和屋頂。

Each trip was an excursion,

每一次都是短途的旅行

was an adventure.

是一場探險。

It was like leaving our mark on society,

就像在社會各處留下我們的印記

to say, "I was here," on the top of a building.

在城市頂端宣稱：「我曾在此」

So when I found a cheap camera on the subway,

我在地鐵上發現了一台便宜的相機後

I started documenting those adventures with my friends

就開始記錄那些與朋友同行的冒險經歷

and gave them back as photocopies --

並以照片影印的方式跟朋友們分享

really small photos just that size.

大約是這種大小的照片

That's how, at 17 years old,

接著在十七歲，

I started pasting them.

我開始張貼這些照片

And I did my first "expo de rue,"

這是我第一個街頭博覽會,

which means sidewalk gallery.

意思是街頭畫廊。

And I framed it with color

我用顏色把照片裱起來

so you would not confuse it with advertising.

你就不會以為這是廣告了。

I mean, the city's the best gallery I could imagine.

我是說: 城市是我想像中最棒的畫廊。

I would never have to make a book and then present it to a gallery

我從不需要製作畫冊、呈現給畫廊看

and let them decide

讓他們評判我的創作是否夠好

if my work was nice enough to show it to people.

是否足以秀給大眾來欣賞

I would control it directly with the public

我會把它們直接向公眾展示

in the streets.

在街上,

So that's Paris.

這是巴黎。

I would change --

我會改變 ---

depending on the places I would go --

我的創作隨著旅行的地方、

the title of the exhibition.

畫展的主題而改變

That's on the Champs-Elysees.

這是香榭麗舍大街。

I was quite proud of that one.

我對這個展覽相當自豪

Because I was just 18

因為當時我只是十八歲

and I was just up there on the top of the Champs-Elysees.

在香榭大道上遊走

Then when the photo left,

當我拿下照片之後

the frame was still there.

裱的框架仍然架在那裡。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

November 2005:

二零零五年十一月:

the streets are burning.

整條街道熊火蔓延。

A large wave of riots

一場很大的暴動在發生

had broken into the first projects of Paris.

後來變成我在巴黎的第一個藝術計畫,

Everyone was glued to the TV,

每個人都黏在電視機旁,

watching disturbing, frightening images

看著那些由旁邊鄰居拍攝

taken from the edge of the neighborhood.

出來的打鬥影像。

I mean, these kids, without control,

我是說: 那些孩子, 失控的,

throwing Molotov cocktails,

抛著汽油彈,

attacking the cops and the firemen,

襲擊警察和消防員,

looting everything they could in the shops.

打刼商品搶走所有東西

These were criminals, thugs, dangerous,

這些是罪犯, 壞蛋, 危險的

destroying their own environment.

破壞他們的環境。

And then I saw it -- could it be possible? --

然後我想：有沒有可能？

my photo on a wall

我貼在牆上的照片

revealed by a burning car --

透過一輛燃燒中的汽車反映出來 ---

a pasting I'd done a year earlier --

我一年前貼上去的

an illegal one -- still there.

違法的創作仍留在牆上

I mean, these were the faces of my friends.

我意思是, 當中有我的朋友的樣子。

I know those guys.

我認識這些人,

All of them are not angels,

他們不全是天使,

but they're not monsters either.

但他們也不是惡魔。

So it was kind of weird to see

這很奇怪的看到

those images and those eyes stare back at me through a television.

這些影像和那些眼睛竟然透過電視回來的凝望著我。

So I went back there

於是我回到那裡

with a 28 mm lens.

還有那28mm 的鏡頭。

It was the only one I had at that time.

那是我當時唯一僅有的鏡頭

But with that lens,

但從這鏡頭,

you have to be as close as 10 inches from the person.

我必須很靠近那些人, 大概是十吋左右。

So you can do it only with their trust.

只有他們對我的信任, 我才可以把他們拍下來。

So I took full portraits of people from Le Bosquet.

於是, 我在Le Bosquet拍了四個人像照。

They were making scary faces

他們都做著最恐佈的表情

to play the caricature of themselves.

將他們變成了卡通人物。

And then I pasted huge posters everywhere

然後我再張貼巨大海報

in the bourgeois area of Paris

在巴黎資產階級區的各個角落

with the name, age, even building number

包括每個人的名字、年齡、

of these guys.

甚至居住地址的號碼

A year later,

一年之後,

the exhibition was displayed in front of the city hall of Paris.

這個展覽在巴黎市政府前展出，

And we go from thug images,

我繼續的去拍攝,

who've been stolen and distorted by the media,

那些被傳媒扭曲了, 或是損毀形象的人,

who's now proudly taking over his own image.

如今卻能以自己的原貌為榮

That's where I realized

這時我才領悟到

the power of paper and glue.

紙張和膠水的力量。

So could art change the world?

所以, 藝術是否可以改變世界?

A year later,

一年之後,

I was listening to all the noise

我聽到許多

about the Middle East conflict.

關於中東衝突的聲音。

I mean, at that time, trust me,

我的意思是, 那時, 相信我

they were only referring to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict.

他們其實是指以色列和巴基斯坦的衝突。

So with my friend Marco,

我和我的朋友, Marco

we decided to go there

我們決定到那裡

and see who are the real Palestinians and who are the real Israelis.

去看看誰是真正的巴勒斯坦人, 誰是真正的以色列人。

Are they so different?

他們是否真的很不同?

When we got there, we just went in the street,

當我們到了那裡, 我們只是走在街上,

started talking with people everywhere,

隨處跟人閒聊,

and we realized that things were a bit different

我們發現事實是有很大不同

from the rhetoric we heard in the media.

由傳媒聽到的訊息

So we decided to take portraits

於是我們決定去拍人像照

of Palestinians and Israelis

是有關巴勒斯坦和以色列人的

doing the same jobs --

職業相同的人

taxi-driver, lawyer, cooks.

計程車司機, 律師, 廚師

Asked them to make a face as a sign of commitment.

要求他們做出「承諾奉獻」的表情

Not a smile -- that really doesn't tell

不是笑容--其實他們也分不出來

about who you are and what you feel.

你是誰跟你的感受之間的分別

They all accepted

他們全都答應了

to be pasted next to the other.

就是貼在別國的附近

I decided to paste

我決定去貼在

in eight Israeli and Palestinian cities

八個以色列和巴勒斯坦的城市

and on both sides of the wall.

兩邊的牆壁上

We launched the biggest illegal art exhibition ever.

我們發起史上首次規模最大的違法畫展

We called the project Face 2 Face.

並取名為「面對面」

The experts said, "No way.

專家說: 不可能

The people will not accept.

人們不會接受

The army will shoot you, and Hamas will kidnap you."

軍隊會槍殺你, 哈馬斯會綁架你

We said, "Okay, let's try and push as far as we can."

我們說, 好的, 看看我們可以做到那裡

I love the way that people will ask me,

我很開心聽到人們問：

"How big will my photo be?"

「我的照片會有多大？」

"It will be as big as your house."

我回答：跟你的家一樣大。

When we did the wall, we did the Palestinian side.

當我們貼在牆上, 在巴勒斯坦那邊

So we arrived with just our ladders

我們只帶著自己的梯子

and we realized that they were not high enough.

然後, 我們發現那張梯子並不够高

And so Palestinians guys say,

於是, 巴勒斯坦人說

"Calm down. No wait. I'm going to find you a solution."

冷靜，等等，我們會幫你想辦法

So he went to the Church of Nativity

於是他到聖誕教堂去

and brought back an old ladder

帶來了一張很舊的梯子

that was so old that it could have seen Jesus being born.

那張梯子舊得應該曾見証耶穌出生

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

We did Face 2 Face with only six friends,

「面對面」計畫，動用了六個朋友

two ladders, two brushes,

二張梯子, 兩把刷子

a rented car, a camera

一輛租來的汽車, 一台相機

and 20,000 square feet of paper.

以及二萬平方呎的紙

We had all sorts of help

我們獲得各種鼎力相助

from all walks of life.

來自不同階層的人

Okay, for example, that's Palestine.

好吧, 例如, 這是巴勒斯坦Ramallah

We're in Ramallah right now.

我們當時就拉馬拉

We're pasting portraits --

我們在貼著人像照

so both portraits in the streets in a crowded market.

兩張人像照都是在擠迫市場的街上

People come around us and start asking,

人們走過來開始不停地問

"What are you doing here?"

你們在做什麼?

"Oh, we're actually doing an art project

噢, 我們其實在做一個藝術計畫

and we are pasting an Israeli and a Palestinian doing the same job.

把職業相同的巴勒斯坦人和以色列人的照片貼在一起

And those ones are actually two taxi-drivers."

這兩位都是計程車司機

And then there was always a silence.

通常他們都先會沉默, 然後問:

"You mean you're pasting an Israeli face --

你的意思是，你會貼上以色列人的臉孔

doing a face -- right here?"

在這裡?

"Well, yeah, yeah, that's part of the project."

『對, 這是我們計畫的一部份。』

And I would always leave that moment,

我總是享受那個片刻

and we would ask them,

然後會問他們,

"So can you tell me who is who?"

『你可以告訴我誰是以色列人, 誰是巴勒斯坦人?』

And most of them couldn't say.

他們大部份人都不能說出。

(Applause)

（笑聲）

We even pasted on Israeli military towers,

我們甚至貼在以色列的軍事塔上,

and nothing happened.

也沒發生什麼事。

When you paste an image, it's just paper and glue.

當你貼上照片, 這只是紙張和膠水。

People can tear it, tag on it, or even pee on it --

人們可以撕爛它, 亂畫它, 甚至向它撒尿 --

some are a bit high for that, I agree --

有些人甚至為此有點興奮, 我承認---

but the people in the street,

但在街上的人們,

they are the curator.

他們就是監護人，

The rain and the wind will take them off anyway.

風和雨終究會吹走這些照片

They are not meant to stay.

而這些海報本來就不會永久存在

But exactly four years after,

但事實上, 四年之後,

the photos, most of them are still there.

那些照片, 大部份都仍然留存下來。

Face 2 Face demonstrated

面對面」證明了

that what we thought impossible was possible --

我們以為的不可能, 其實是可能的 --

and, you know what, even easy.

你知嗎, 甚至可說是輕而易舉。

We didn't push the limit;

我們還沒有推到極限,

we just showed that they were further than anyone thought.

我們只是想展示我們已經走得比別人所想的要遠。

In the Middle East, I experienced my work

在中東, 我經驗到

in places without [many] museums.

我在那些沒有(很多)美術館的地方工作。

So the reactions in the street

所以在街上展覽這方向

were kind of interesting.

其實是出於興趣。

So I decided to go further in this direction

所以我決定往這方向更進一步

and go in places where there were zero museums.

到一個沒有美術館的地方去

When you go in these developing societies,

當你踏進一個開發中的國家

women are the pillars of their community,

女人是他們社會的支柱,

but the men are still the ones holding the streets.

但男性卻依然是把持街頭的人

So we were inspired to create a project

於是激發了我們創造一個計畫

where men will pay tribute to women

男人以可貼上女性的照片

by posting their photos.

以向女性致敬。

I called that project Women Are Heroes.

我稱這次的計畫為「女人英雄」

When I listened to all the stories

當我聽過當中所有的故事

everywhere I went on the continents,

在我到過的每個洲的每一處,

I couldn't always understand

我總是無法理解

the complicated circumstances of their conflict.

他們那些矛盾的複雜狀態,

I just observed.

我只是觀察。

Sometimes there was no words,

有時我無言以對，

no sentence, just tears.

講不出話，只能流淚

I just took their pictures

我只是專心拍照

and pasted them.

然後貼出來。

Women Are Heroes took me around the world.

『女人英雄』這計畫，讓我走到全世界。

Most of the places I went to,

在我去過的大部份地方,

I decided to go there

我決定去那裡

because I've heard about it through the media.

是因為我在傳媒之中聽說過。

So for example, in June 2008,

就好像, 二零零八年六月,

I was watching TV in Paris,

我在巴黎看電視,

and then I heard about this terrible thing

跟著我就聽到這可怕的事

that happened in Rio de Janeiro --

發生在里約熱內盧。

the first favela of Brazil named Providencia.

巴西第一個貧民區叫做Providencia

Three kids -- that was three students --

三個孩子 --- 也是三個學生

were [detained] by the army

被軍隊拘留了

because they were not carrying their papers.

因為他們沒有帶著他們的證件。

And the army took them,

軍隊於是逮捕他們

and instead of bringing them to the police station,

學生沒有被送到警察局

they brought them to an enemy favela

反而是帶他們到敵方的貧民區

where they get chopped into pieces.

在那裡, 他們被斬成數段。

I was shocked.

我十分震驚。

All Brazil was shocked.

整個巴西也震驚。

I heard it was one of the most violent favelas,

我聽過這是最殘忍的貧民區,

because the largest drug cartel controls it.

因為最大的販毒集團控制那裡,

So I decided to go there.

所以我決定要去到那裡。

When I arrived --

當我到達的時候 ---

I mean, I didn't have any contact with any NGO.

我是說, 並不認識任何非政府組織的人，

There was none in place -- no association, no NGOs, nothing --

那裡也沒有, 沒有旅行社, 沒有非政府機構, 什麼也沒有 ---

no eyewitnesses.

沒有目擊者

So we just walked around,

我們只是隨處走動

and we met a woman,

然後遇到了一名婦女

and I showed her my book.

我給她看我的書

And she said, "You know what?

她說, 『你知嗎?

We're hungry for culture.

我們這裡對文化是很飢渴的。

We need culture out there."

我們這裡需要文化。』

So I went out and I started with the kids.

於是我走出去, 跟孩子開始。

I just took a few photos of the kids,

我只是拍了一些孩子們的照片，

and the next day I came with the posters and we pasted them.

第二天我們就帶著海報回來貼在牆上

The day after, I came back and they were already scratched.

第三天我再回去，海報已經被抓破了

But that's okay.

但是那沒關係，