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  • This is a play called "Sell/Buy/Date."

  • It's my first since "Bridge and Tunnel," which I did on Broadway,

  • and this one, I -- thank you --

  • I've excerpted it just for you, so here we go.

  • Right. Class, let's be absolutely certain

  • all electronic devices are switched off before we begin.

  • So class, hopefully you'll recognize what you just heard me say as the -- ?

  • Very good, the cellular phone announcement.

  • Right? This was also known as a mobile phone.

  • So you'll remember, people of that era

  • would have had an external electronic device, right,

  • something like this,

  • and they all would have carried one of these around with them,

  • and amongst their biggest fears was the sheer mortification

  • that one of these might ring at some inopportune moment.

  • Right? So a bit of trivia about that era for you.

  • (Laughter)

  • So the format of today's class is

  • I will be presenting multiple BERT modules today

  • from that period in history, right,

  • so starting circa 2016.

  • And remember, this was the very first year of the BERT program.

  • So we've got quite a few of these to get through.

  • Bear in mind, I will be living into various different bodies,

  • different ages,

  • also what were then called races, or ethnic groups,

  • as you'll remember from Unit 1.

  • And -- (Laughter) -- and along the gender continuum,

  • I will be living into males as well.

  • It was quite binary at that time.

  • (Laughter)

  • Also, don't forget, we are reading the book module

  • for next week's focus on gender.

  • Now, I know some of you have requested the book in pill form.

  • I know people still believe ingesting it is better for retention,

  • but since we are trying to experience what our forebears did, right,

  • let's please just consider doing the actual ocular reading, okay?

  • And also, how many people have your emotional shunts engaged?

  • Right. Please toggle them off. Okay?

  • I know it's challenging, but I want you to be able to feel the entire

  • natural emo range, all right?

  • It is essential to this part of the syllabus.

  • Yes, Macy?

  • All right. I understand. If you're unwilling to --

  • All right, well, we can discuss that after class.

  • All right, we will discuss your concerns.

  • Just relax. Nobody's died and gone to composting.

  • Okay. After class. Okay? After class.

  • Let's just get started, okay.

  • This first subject identified as a middle-class homemaker.

  • Remember, these early modules

  • in these people's full identities were protected,

  • and this allowed them to speak more freely on our topic,

  • which for many of them was taboo.

  • Okay honey, now, I'm ready when you are.

  • No, sweetheart, I said, I'm ready when you are.

  • I'm freezing.

  • It's like a meat locker in here in this recording studio.

  • I should have brought a shmata.

  • All this fancy technology but they can't afford heat.

  • What is he saying? I can't hear you!

  • I can't hear you through the glass, honey!

  • There you are in my ear.

  • Oh, you can hear me?

  • The whole time.

  • Oh, yes, I am a little chilly.

  • Yes, oh the cold is for the machines, the new technology. Okay.

  • Yes, now remind me again, you're recording not only my voice but my feelings

  • and my memories? Right.

  • Yes, BERT, yes, I read about it.

  • Bio-Empathetic Resonant Technology.

  • Right, right, so people will be able to feel my experience

  • and my memory? Okay.

  • No, right, I'm ready.

  • I just thought you were going to give me a test to see how my memory's doing.

  • I was going to tell you you're too late, it's already bad news.

  • No, no, go ahead, honey.

  • Oh, that's the first question?

  • What do I think of prostitution?

  • Are you soliciting me, young man?

  • I've heard of May-December romances, but what are you, about 20 years old?

  • Eighteen? Eighteen years.

  • I think I have candies in my purse older than 18 years old.

  • (Laughter)

  • I'm teasing you, sweetheart. No, I'm comfortable with any question.

  • Sure. So about the prostitution -- oh, sex worker, sex worker.

  • No, just in my day, they called it prostitution, not sex work.

  • Oh, because it includes pornography also?

  • Okay.

  • No, well, I guess when I was a girl,

  • we didn't really have a name for that either.

  • We would have said dirty magazines, I suppose, or dirty movies.

  • Well, it's not like what you have with the Internet.

  • No, well, I don't mind sharing.

  • My late husband and I, we were a very romantic couple.

  • Lots of tenderness, you understand.

  • Well, as you get older, you know, at one point I thought my husband

  • might be helped by using some of the pills men can take,

  • but he wasn't interested in those,

  • so I thought, what about maybe watching an adult movie on the Internet?

  • Just for inspiration, you understand.

  • Well, at the time, neither of us were very good on the computer,

  • so usually, if we needed help with the Internet,

  • we would just call our children or our grandchildren,

  • but obviously, in this case, that wasn't an option,

  • so I thought, I'll have a look myself, just to see.

  • How difficult could it be?

  • You search for certain key words and you look --

  • Oh wow is right, young man.

  • You can't imagine what I saw.

  • Well, first of all, I was just trying to find, you know, couples,

  • normal couples making love,

  • but this, so many people together at one time.

  • You couldn't tell which part belonged to which body.

  • How they even got the cameras to capture some of this, I couldn't tell you.

  • But the one thing they didn't capture was making love.

  • There was lots of making of something,

  • but they took the love part right out of it, you know, the fun.

  • It was all very extreme, you know?

  • Like you would say, with the extreme sports.

  • Lots of endurance,

  • but never tenderness.

  • So anyway, needless to say, that was $19.95 I'll never get back again,

  • but it only showed up on the credit card as "entertainment services,"

  • so my husband was never the wiser,

  • and after all of that,

  • well, you could say it turned out

  • he didn't need the extra inspiration after all.

  • Right, so next subject is a young woman -- (Applause) --

  • Next subject, class, is a young woman called Bella,

  • a university student interviewed in 2016

  • during what was called an Intro to Feminist Porn class

  • as part of her major in sex work at a college in the Bay Area.

  • (Laughter)

  • Yeah, I just want to, like, get a recording of, like,

  • you guys recording me,

  • like a meta recording, or whatever.

  • It's just like this whole experience is just, like, really amazing,

  • and I'd like to capture that for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr.

  • So, like, hi guys, it's me, Bella,

  • and I am, like, being interviewed right now

  • for this, like, really amazing Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology,

  • which is, like, basically where they are, like, recording, as you can see

  • from these, whatever, like, electrodes,

  • the formation of, like, neuropeptides in my hippocampus, or whatever.

  • They will later be able to reconstitute these

  • as, like, my own actual memory, like actual experiences,

  • so other people can, like, actually feel what I'm feeling right now.

  • Okay. Okay.

  • So, like, hello, BERT person of the future who is experiencing me.

  • This is what it feels like to be, like, a college freshman,

  • and also the, like, headache that you are experiencing through me

  • is the, like, residual effect of the Jell-O shots which I had last night

  • at the bi-weekly feminist pole dancing party

  • which I cohost on Wednesdays.

  • It's called "Don't Get All Pole-emical" -- (Laughter) --

  • and it's in Beekman Hall,

  • and, what else, like,

  • non-Jell-O shots are also available for vegans,

  • and, oh, okay, yeah, totally, yeah, we should also focus on your questions also.

  • So for your record, I am, like, a sex work studies major

  • but minoring in social media

  • with a concentration on notable YouTube memes.

  • (Laughter)

  • Yes, well, of course, like, I consider myself to be, like,

  • obviously, like, a feminist.

  • I was named for Bella Abzug, who was, like, a famous, like,

  • feminist from history,

  • and, like, also I feel that it is, like, important to, like, represent women

  • who are, like, sex-positive feminists.

  • What is sex-negative?

  • Well, like, I guess I would ask, like, what do you think

  • sex-negative is? (Laughter)

  • Yeah, because, like, the terms that we use are, like, so important, because, like,

  • we call it sex work because it helps people understand that, like, it's work,

  • and, like, you know, just like there are, like, healthcare providers

  • and, like, insurance providers,

  • like, we think of these workers as, like, sex care providers.

  • Yeah, but like, I don't think of myself like, providing direct

  • sex care services per se as, like, being a requirement

  • for me to be, like, an advocate.

  • Like, I support other women's right to choose it voluntarily, like,

  • if they enjoy it.

  • Yeah, but, like, I see myself going forward

  • as more likely, like, protecting sex workers',

  • like, legal freedoms and rights.

  • Yeah, so, like, basically, I'm planning on becoming a lawyer.

  • Right, class. (Laughter) (Applause)

  • So these next two modules are also circa 2016.

  • One subject is an Irishwoman with a particularly noteworthy

  • relationship to this issue,

  • but first will be a West Indian woman,

  • a self-described escort

  • who was recorded at a sex workers' rights rally and parade.

  • She was interviewed whilst marching in full carnival headdress

  • and very little else.

  • All right, you want me to start talking now.

  • Yeah, I told you, you can put those wires anywhere you want to

  • as long as it don't get in the way.

  • Yeah, no, but, tell me again what the name of -- BERT? BERT.

  • Yeah, I was telling you, you know, I think I have in all my time

  • I have had at least one client with that name, so this won't be the first time

  • I had BERT all over me.

  • Oh, I'm sorry,

  • but you got to get into the spirit of it if you're going to interview me.

  • All right? You can say it.

  • No justice, no piece! No justice, no piece!

  • But you see the sign? You get it? P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us.

  • You understand?

  • Right, so that's the part where I was telling you

  • is that when I first came to this country, I worked every job I could find.

  • I was a nanny; I was a home care attendant for all these different old people,

  • and then I said, child, if I have to touch another white man's backside,

  • I might as well get paid a lot more money for it than this,

  • you understand?

  • Pshh, you know how hard it is being a domestic worker?

  • Some of these men, they're heavy.

  • You have to pick them up and flip them over.

  • Now, I let them pick me up and flip me over, you understand?

  • Well, you have to have a sense of humor about it, that's what I think.

  • No, but see, listen,

  • you find me somebody who don't hate some part of their job.

  • I mean, there's a lot of things about this job that I hate,

  • but the money is not one of them,

  • and I will tell you, as long as this is the best possibility

  • for me to make real money,

  • I am going to be Jamaican-No-Fakin' if that's what they want to call me.

  • No, I'm not even from Jamaica. That's how they market me.

  • My family is from Trinidad and the Virgin Islands.

  • They don't know what I do, but you know what?

  • My children, they know that their school fees are paid,

  • they have their books and their computer,

  • and this way, I know that they have a chance.

  • So I'm not going to tell you that what I do, it's easy,

  • I'm not going to tell you that I feel -- what's that you said, liberated?

  • But I'm going to tell you that I feel paid.

  • Right. (Applause)

  • Thanks, that's lovely, and just the cup of tea, love,

  • and just a splash of the whiskey.

  • It's perfect, that's grand. Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect.

  • What was your name? Peter? Is that right, so, Peter?

  • Right. So that, that is the unique part of it for me,

  • right, is that I ended up in both,

  • first in the convent, and then in the prostitution after. That's right.

  • (Laughter)

  • So one woman at the university here in Dublin, she wrote about me.

  • She said, Maureen Fitzroy is the living embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy.

  • Right? (Laughter)

  • Doesn't it sound like something you need to go into hospital?

  • Well, I've got this terrible dichotomy.

  • Doesn't it.

  • Right. Well, for me though, it was, as a girl, it started with me dad.

  • I mean, half the time, when he spoke to us, it was just a sort of

  • tell us we were all useless rotten idiots and we had no morals, that type of thing.

  • And I certainly didn't do myself any favors.

  • By the time I was 16,

  • I had started messing about with this older fella,

  • and he wanted it to be our little secret,

  • and I did as I was told, didn't I,

  • and when that got back to me dad, he had me sent straightaway to the convent.

  • Well no, that older fella, he would still come to find me in the convent.

  • Yeah, he'd leave me notes

  • tucked into the holes in the brick at the back of the charity shop

  • so we could meet.

  • And he'd tell me how he's leaving his wife,

  • and I believed him, until I got pregnant.

  • I did, Peter, and I left him a note about it in our special place there,

  • and I never did hear from him again.

  • No, I gave it up for adoption so it could have a decent life,

  • and then they wouldn't let me back into the convent.

  • No, my one sister Virginia gave me a fiver for the coach to Dublin,

  • and that's how I ended up here.

  • Well, surprise, surprise, I fell in love with another fella much older than me,

  • and I always say I was just so happy because he didn't drink,

  • I married the bastard.

  • Well, he didn't drink, but he did have just the wee heroin problem, didn't he,

  • and -- That's right, and before I knew it,

  • he was the one who turned me on to the prostitution, my own husband.

  • He had me supporting the both of us.

  • I was 18.

  • Well, it wasn't Pretty Woman, I can tell you that.

  • That Julia Roberts,

  • if she'd ever had to sleep with a man to put a few pounds in her pocket,

  • I don't think she'd ever have made that film.

  • Well, for your record,

  • my opinion of the legalization, I'd say I'm against it.

  • I just, I don't care what these young girls say.

  • You know, living like that, you're just lost,

  • and, you know, I'm 63 years old.

  • I'm still trying to find who I am.

  • You know, I never was a wife or a nun,

  • or a prostitute even, really, not really.

  • Nobody ever asked who I wanted to be.

  • They just told me,

  • and if you legalize it,

  • then you're really telling these girls, "Go on and get lost for a living,"

  • and a lot of them, they'll do as they're told.

  • All right, so four perspectives from four quite -- (Applause) --

  • four quite different voices there, right?

  • One woman saying sex itself is natural but the sex industry seems to

  • mechanize or industrialize it.

  • Then the second woman considered sex work to be empowering,

  • liberating, and feminist, though she, herself, notably,

  • did not seem keen to do it.

  • The third woman, who actually was a so-called sex worker

  • did not agree that it was liberating but she wanted the right

  • to the economic empowerment,

  • and then we hear the fourth woman saying not only prostitution itself

  • but proscribed roles for women in general

  • prevented her from ever finding who she was, right?

  • So another fact most people did not know

  • was the average age of an at-risk girl being introduced to the sex industry

  • was 12 or 13.

  • Also consider that the age when all girls in that society

  • first became exposed to sexualized images of women

  • was quite a bit earlier, right?

  • This was a doll called Barbie, right?

  • I initially thought she was an educational tool for anorexia prevention --

  • (Laughter) --

  • but actually she was considered by many

  • to be a wholesome symbol of femininity,

  • and often young girls began what was called dieting.

  • Remember this? This was restricting food intake on purpose

  • by the age of six,

  • and defining themselves based on attractiveness

  • by around that same time. Right?

  • Yes?

  • Right, Bradley, okay, excellent point.

  • So there was a lucrative market in that society in convincing all people

  • they had to look a certain way to even have a sex life, right?

  • But girls, especially, were expected to be "sexy" while avoiding

  • being perceived as "sluts" for being sexual. Right?

  • So there's that shame piece we've heard about.

  • Yes.

  • Valerie, right? Okay, very good.

  • Of course, men were having sex as well,

  • but you'll remember from the reading,

  • what were male sluts called?

  • Very good, they were called men.

  • (Laughter) (Applause)

  • So not easy living in a world like that, right?

  • Though it was not all bad news either.

  • Most women in the early 2000s considered themselves empowered,

  • and men generally felt they were also evolved in this area,

  • and, in fact, most people would have been aware of issues

  • like human trafficking, for example,

  • but they would have seen that as quite separate

  • from more recreational adult entertainment.

  • And so we'll just very briefly, class -- we don't have a lot of time --

  • we'll just very briefly hear from a man

  • on our topic at this stage.

  • So this next subject was interviewed on the night of his bachelor party.

  • Dude, can you, all right, can you just keep it down?

  • I'm trying to talk to BERT right now.

  • Oh, your name's not BERT.

  • BERT's the name of the, oh, all right.

  • No, no, no, totally, it's totally fine. I'm mostly sober,

  • so I just want to be helpful.

  • Yeah, and I totally believe in causes, yeah, like, all that stuff.

  • (Laughter)

  • And actually, I'm wearing Toms right now.

  • Yeah, Toms, like, the shoes,

  • like, you buy a pair and then a kid in Africa gets clean water.

  • Yeah. Totally.

  • But what was the question again? Sorry.

  • Of course I believe in women's rights. I'm marrying a woman.

  • (Laughter)

  • No, but I mean, like, just because I'm in a strip club parking lot

  • doesn't mean that I'm, like, a sexist or whatever.

  • My fiancee is totally amazing, she's totally a strong girl, woman,

  • smart woman, like, the whole thing.

  • Yeah, she knows I'm here. She's probably at a strip club herself right now,

  • like, as a joke, same as me.

  • My best man, I told him he could surprise me,

  • and he thought this would be hilarious,

  • but this is not something.

  • Yeah, we all went to B school together.

  • Wharton.

  • (Laughter)

  • Yeah, so, dude, can you guys --

  • All right, but it's my bachelor party,

  • and I can spend it in the parking lot with Anderson Cooper if I want to.

  • All right, I'll see you in there.

  • All right, okay, so Anderson,

  • so, like, first of all, stripping,

  • but then, like, all the other things you're talking about,

  • prostitution and all that stuff, that's, like, not the same thing at all.

  • You know? Like, you keep calling it the sex industry or whatever,

  • but it's like, if the girl wants to be an exotic dancer

  • and she's 18, like, that's her right.

  • Whoa, whoa, I hear what you're saying, but I just feel like people,

  • they just want to make it seem like all dudes are just, like, predators,

  • that we would just automatically go to a prostitute, or whatever.

  • Even, like, when I pledged, you know, like when I rushed my fraternity.

  • My brothers who I'm close to, those guys, they're all like me.

  • We're just normal people, but, like, there's this myth that you must

  • be that guy who is kind of an asshole, and like, all bros before hos or whatever.

  • And actually, like, bros before hos, it doesn't mean like what it sounds like.

  • It's actually just like a joking way of saying that you care about your brothers

  • and you put them first.

  • Yeah, but, you can't blame the media, either.

  • I mean, like, if you go watch "Hangover 2,"

  • and you think that's an instruction manual

  • for your life, like, I don't know what to tell you.

  • You know? You don't watch "Bourne Identity"

  • and go drive your car over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter)

  • Well, yeah, okay, like, if you're a little kid or whatever,

  • of course it's different, but --

  • Yeah, all right, I remember one thing like that.

  • I was at this kid's house one time playing GTA,

  • uh, Grand Theft Auto?

  • Dude, are you from Canada? (Laughter)

  • So, like, whatever, with Grand Theft Auto,

  • you're this kid, like, you're this guy walking around or whatever,

  • and you can basically, like, the more cops you kill,

  • the more points you get, and stuff like that.

  • But also, you can find prostitutes

  • and obviously you can do sexual stuff with them,

  • but you can, like, kill them and take your money back.

  • Yeah, this kid, I remember he ran over a couple of them a few times with his car

  • and he got all these points.

  • We were, like, 10, I think.

  • It felt pretty terrible, actually.

  • No, I don't think I said anything, I just finished playing and went home.

  • All right class, so then there were men who had more than just

  • a passing relationship to this issue. (Laughter)

  • The next subject described himself as a reformed and remorseful pimp

  • turned motivational speaker,

  • life coach and therapist,

  • but if you want to know more about him, you'll have to come to the entire play.

  • Thank you so much, you beautiful TED audience.

  • I will see you for "Sell/Buy/Date."

  • (Applause)

This is a play called "Sell/Buy/Date."

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