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  • You know, I've had a lot of chance to interact with your

  • class over the last couple of years, starting with admit weekend, I guess.

  • About 27 months ago.

  • So, we've had lots of interactions, large and

  • small but never anything quite like a last lecture.

  • Come in, come in.

  • So I'm looking forward to it.

  • I, I have assembled the list of of ten lessons that have been

  • important to me in my life that I'd like to share with you.

  • So.

  • If it's all right, let's charge in.

  • This first one, I guess, comes from two sources, one, as you know, I spent

  • seven years of my life living and working

  • in Australia where cricket is a national game.

  • But I also spent the last nine years

  • teaching a second year seminar on leadership and in

  • that leadership seminar I like to use the

  • case of Sir Earnest Shackleton the great Antarctic explorer.

  • And Shackleton had something very interesting to say about life.

  • He said, Some people say it's wrong to think of life as a game.

  • I don't think so.

  • He said, Life to me means the greatest of all games.

  • The danger lies in treating it as a trivial game.

  • A game to be taken lightly.

  • And a game where the rules don't matter much.

  • The rules, he said, matter a great deal.

  • Shackleton said, you know, the game has to be played fairly, or it's no game at all.

  • And even to win the game is not the chief end.

  • The chief end is to win it honorably and splendidly.

  • And in Shackleton's mind, honorably and spend, splendidly meant living it by

  • his values, the things that mattered most to him, by his rules.

  • Now, those of you who know cricket know, it's got a lot of rules.

  • But another thing about cricket that I think is relevant, it's a long game.

  • You know, life ebbs and flows.

  • And endurance is a virtue.

  • Stamina is very important.

  • Work at staying in shape, work

  • at staying in shape physically, mentally, emotionally.

  • In many respects, your determination and your drive will have

  • as much to do with your life as your DNA.

  • Like cricket it's a long game.

  • You need to pace yourself.

  • And another thing a well known cricket commentator observed

  • is that in addition to being a long game where

  • perseverance and resilience and patience are critical, it's a

  • game where he said, nothing happens and then everything happens.

  • Again, only a true cricket aficionados might appreciate this.

  • But applying it to life, I can tell you that often, out of the blue, that big

  • opportunity or that big challenge hits you in the face, you can't plan your life.

  • You can't plan your career, but you can plan

  • to be prepared, and preparation is an awfully key aspect.

  • Number nine.

  • Now this is a lesson that I got over and

  • over again from our CEO at Wells Fargo, Carl Reichardt.

  • He liked to say this.

  • I don't think Carl necessarily believed the

  • world was divided into good people and bad

  • people but we all grew up understanding

  • that there were people with very bad behaviors.

  • You know, and life is too short.

  • You don't have to deal with people who are

  • abusive, people who are dishonest, people who are unethical.

  • You can just say no.

  • In fact, you better just say no.

  • You know, in banking where you make loans every day, you take deposits every day,

  • you accept investments, you, you have a lot of opportunities to say yes and no.

  • Even at the GSP, when raising money, there are times

  • when it's appropriate to say no because the motivation isn't right.

  • And I think this lesson, aside from saving you

  • an awful lot of unpleasantness, can also save you.

  • Because,

  • oh, we're going backwards.

  • [SOUND] Because your reputation is everything.

  • And you've got to guard it scrupulously.

  • For me, a corollary to this life's too short lesson, has been another one

  • I've always applied, which is, don't sign something you haven't read,

  • don't sign something you don't understand, or that you don't agree with.

  • Life's too short.

  • This is another Wells Fargoism.

  • This is a, this is a slogan or a phrase,

  • it's still very much a part of the company today.

  • And it's something that we began adopting when we wanted very much to change the

  • culture from one that was more bureaucratic

  • to one with a real sense of accountability.

  • You know, when you think about a small

  • store, and you encounter the person that owns that

  • store, you have a much different experience and encounter

  • than when you're dealing with a temporary, hired clerk.

  • That sense of ownership.

  • That comes from true ownership is is a very real

  • and different behavior that we all recognize and we all appreciate.

  • Run it like you own it.

  • Spend it like it was your own

  • money not somebody else's, or somebody else's enterprise.

  • Whenever you're in charge of something, anything, anywhere, any group.

  • If you adopt that ownership mindset and mentality, it serves you well.

  • After all, next John, leadership is not about fame

  • and fortune and power, it is about responsibility.

  • And it's a responsibility for the group that you have inherited.

  • It's a responsibility for helping that group

  • to be better, to helping that group to

  • do better, and that's that same responsibility that

  • an owner feels of his or her establishment.

  • That is often missing when you come to somebody working for a large organization.

  • Now, the challenge in a big organization is if you can get everyone and every group

  • to have that same ownership mindset you see in a small shop or a small business.

  • If everyone in the group can adopt and have that

  • kind of sense of run it like you own it,

  • you create a culture and a climate of discipline and

  • accountability that has enormous power and energy for the enterprise.

  • Another thing about run it like you own it, next Johnny, is

  • that when you have that sort of mindset attention to detail really matters.

  • You know, in that post Enron and WorldCom world we got Sarbanes-Oxley.

  • And a lot of people love to complain and

  • winge about Sarbanes-Oxley, too much paperwork, too many rules.

  • And yet, you, at the, at the same time, you would see CEOs in

  • front of congress, saying, well Mr. Congressman,

  • understand that accounting wasn't part of my job.

  • And that lack of ownership, if you will,

  • of the details, is a real sign of difficulty.

  • If it was your business, you'd want it to be in control.

  • You would want it to be under good control.

  • Without surprises.

  • That's not micro managing, but it is investing the time that

  • it takes to really understand what's going on in the operation.

  • You can't manage and lead something you don't understand...

  • And a final point about ownership.

  • Next Johnny.

  • Is that just like the owner of a small enterprise, when

  • you have something that you own, people will watch what you do.

  • They'll watch how you do it.

  • Much more than they'll listen to what you say.

  • And in particular, they'll watch what you pay

  • attention to, because leaders really do cast long shadows.

  • So, run it like you own it.

  • Number seven.

  • This one, I think, is particularly important for GSB graduates.

  • I know it was for me in my career life.

  • You know, when you think about leadership and management, you

  • often think, we think about leading a team, leading a group.

  • And it's our group that we're responsible for, and

  • you think spend most of your time managing downward.

  • Working with a team, building a, a lot of excitement and enthusiasm, building

  • loyalty, and commitment, and achieving whatever it

  • is that that team's about to achieve.

  • So we spend a lot of time managing down, and yes, there's an

  • understanding that, you know, I should spend some of my time managing up.

  • The boss needs to know what's going on.

  • The board needs to be aware of what's going on.

  • The regulators need to know what's going on.

  • But this kind of, we have an up and down mindset, often.

  • And yet we often forget, next, that wherever

  • you find yourself, you're always part of some team.

  • You need to manage these relationships with peers and other team members.

  • You wanna be part of a winning organization.

  • That means you need the strongest team possible.

  • That means other parts have to do just as

  • well as your group if you're going to be successful.

  • Even a CEO is part of a team called the board of directors.

  • A dean of a school is part of a team, the executive cabinet of the university.

  • And another way of viewing this, I think, is on the next slide.

  • You know, don't be so competitive that you just

  • stick to that narrow job description of your own job.

  • Wherever you are, think about your unit, yes.

  • But, the entire company.

  • And if you are in charge of your entire company, think about your industry.

  • And if you are an industry leader, think about your country, or your world.

  • In terms of the way your mind operates and works.

  • Don't forget to manage sideways, it's a big world out there.

  • Number six.

  • I'm sure the number one reasons that leaders fail, is because of hubris.

  • They take themselves, too seriously, as I would put here.

  • In other words, they stop listening, they stop

  • learning, they start believing in their own unique importance,

  • they forget that an awful lot of success has to do with luck, and timing.

  • The work of others.

  • You leave here, I know, with great

  • confidence, and you should have great confidence.

  • Given who you are, and all that you've done, and

  • what you know as you leave here, you should have self-confidence.

  • But there's always a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

  • And on the next slide, you know, don't let yourself cross that line.

  • Leadership is about earning followers.

  • People want to follow a genuine leader, they

  • don't want to follow a self-proclaimed, self-important one.

  • That's not who you wan to follow and that's not who you want

  • to be when you're interested in motivating and attracting other people to your cause.

  • You know, in his book, Good to Great, our alum

  • Jim Collins who taught here and obviously got his MBA here.

  • And this one of the what, 25 best selling business books of all time.

  • He coined this term Level 5 Leadership and in Jim's concept of Level 5 Leadership,

  • it was not arrogance but humility that he saw in these

  • people combined with a very, very

  • disciplined focus on the organization's needs.

  • In other words, take your job seriously.

  • Take the group and its needs seriously.

  • Just don't take yourself that seriously when it

  • comes to attributing what's making all this happen.

  • And I think another way to keep yourself humble is,

  • stay close to people at the entry level,

  • stay around people that are smarter than you.

  • Stay around people that will give you honest feedback.

  • Feedback is one of life's great gifts.

  • Feedback man you know, is right, that's absolutely.

  • [LAUGH].

  • When you're lucky enough to get honesty back, treat it as what it is.

  • One of life's great gifts.

  • Stay around the University, it gives you great perspective on the future.

  • Number five, [COUGH]

  • I'm not sure who actually came up with this saying.

  • You find it a lot if you look on the Web and Google it.

  • I don't know who the original source was.

  • But I heard it at one time, and it had a lot of resonance for me.

  • You

  • know, there are a lot of powerful emotions in life.

  • There's, there's greed, and there's envy.

  • And, and fear is certainly one of them.

  • And fear can impact us in a number of ways.

  • It, it can cause you to withdraw and just not deal with a situation.

  • It can cause you to freeze, in the sense you just can't decide and you can't move.

  • But it can also give you the courage to act, to risk.

  • To change when change is appropriate, to change yourself when change is required.

  • My wife said to me, you know, fear can paralyze you or it can energize you.

  • And it can energize you to seek those

  • changes in your life that are really critical.

  • When it's time for you to make a change.

  • And in doing so be prepared, I think in three dimensions.

  • Number one, the next slide, be, be prepared

  • to take intelligent risks, as I would call them.

  • Here, you know, use your powers of analysis.

  • What am I afraid of?

  • Why am I afraid?

  • What's the worst case that can happen?

  • Have I got it covered?

  • There, there is an approach to problem solving an

  • analysis that I would call intelligence, an intelligent risk taking.

  • And use that power of analysis to unlock some of the fear.

  • But also be prepared to trust your instincts.

  • How does it feel?

  • In addition to what does my analysis show,

  • and it's that combination I think of your analysis

  • and your gut feeling that can give you the courage to act when action is called for.

  • And finally, you know, you don't have to be alone in all this.

  • I remember when I went to the first parent's weekend at my daughter's

  • undergraduate college, and the person up front speaking said to the parents, as we

  • were sitting out there, well you know, we're trying to get these young

  • men and women to understand that asking for help is an act of independence.

  • It's not a sign of weakness.

  • And I thought, as a wonderful sentiment you

  • know, I heard that now, almost 25 years ago.

  • But it's so true and yet it's so often not accepted or practiced.

  • We see it as a sign of weakness.

  • Linda Hill in her studies of MBA graduates of the Harvard Business School go off the

  • their first time jobs as managers or in

  • managerial roles which can be a real struggle.

  • A lot of difficulty in terms of, why am I having so much problem here?

  • She said in fewer than half the cases, would people actually ask for help,

  • which is pretty amazing.

  • You don't have to face these fears alone.

  • You can ask for help.

  • It's not a sign of weakness.

  • It is an act of independence.

  • Number four.

  • I had a wonderful director at Westback named Chris Stewart, and every time

  • we seem to confront the most difficult

  • problems, and challenges, the kind that led

  • to sleep deprivation and cause your stomach to churn a bit he would have

  • a smile on his face, and say, this is such a character building experience.

  • I didn't necessarily find it all that amusing at the time, but

  • I came to appreciate over and over again, just how right he was.

  • And you know, in particular when I've reviewed

  • the literature and the research on adult learning,

  • and you realize you know, adults learn most

  • of what they learn through experience, and in

  • particular, they learn the most, we learn the most when we have to acquire a skill

  • or develop a behavior that's necessary for us

  • to accomplish something that's really important to us.

  • That's when we learn the most.

  • And that is almost always without question when you step outside your comfort zone.

  • That's when you get these character building experiences.

  • So don't stay in that zone too long.

  • You've gotta stretch yourself.

  • Give yourself a cold call.

  • You need these experiences.

  • You'll learn the most from these experiences.

  • They will do the most for you in life.

  • And then when you have these experiences, the key is to learn from them.

  • You know, how often do we see two people have a pretty similar experience?

  • And yet you can see a huge difference in

  • the way people might react or learn from that experience.

  • There is the experience.

  • There is the feedback hopefully you might get.

  • There's the listening you might do.

  • In particular, there's the reflection.

  • Now what was this experience trying to teach me?

  • And then, learning from that and integrating it into

  • who you are and growing, and really reinventing yourself.

  • Becoming a different person as a consequence of that experience.

  • You know, learnings, learnings are not possessions like diplomas that

  • you put in a drawer or frame on the wall.

  • You know, learnings are things that you integrate into your life and who you are.

  • And change yourself because of what you've learned.

  • [BLANK_AUDIO]

  • I had a boss, a different boss at Wells Fargo.

  • Not Carl Riker but another CEO who said, you know, I've got to leave you

  • in this job long enough so that your mistakes bites you in the rear end.

  • And again like the character building [LAUGH]

  • experience of my director, I didn't necessarily get

  • it until I started to have some mistakes that bit me right where he said.

  • And in particular, you know, I hired the wrong person in

  • a very important role and how do you learn to hire people?

  • Usually by hiring the wrong person, that's the first thing.

  • And having to live with that and work your way out

  • of it so that you don't make the same mistake twice.

  • So there is a certain resilience that

  • comes from having to learn from experience.

  • Number three.

  • This comes from my great, great friend and

  • role model and somebody that was such an inspiration.

  • John Gardner.

  • John taught here at the business school.

  • He taught at the Ed school.

  • He passed away about eight years ago.

  • But one of America's great human beings.

  • And John had a wonderful phrase, you know?

  • He said.

  • Leaders find the words.

  • Leaders find the words.

  • And, he was talking about the fact that, leadership is about earning followers.

  • And you earn followers through honest communication.

  • A communication that connects with people.

  • And the only way you know if it's connecting

  • is to try the words and to try different words.

  • And it rarely works with that first set of words that you might try.

  • And it could be the second or the third or beyond.

  • It might be a story.

  • It might be an analogy.

  • It might be relating it to whatever connects with the audience.

  • Leaders find the words.

  • You know, it's interesting at the reunion here just

  • a few weeks ago, one of the students that was

  • in my seminar last year, he came up to me, he said you know, we had to layoff 40% of

  • the people where I work and I kept thinking over

  • and over again what you said in the seminar, leaders

  • find the words and he really worked, he said I

  • worked so hard at finding the right things to say.

  • It's not a, it's not a big speech, it's not about a big

  • speech, it's often best to think of it as just an honest conversation.

  • As someone once observed in the next slide, you

  • know, after all life is an endless series of conversations.

  • It's so true, that's how you build relationships, is through conversation.

  • And it's building relationships that is the

  • essence of how you lead people and organizations.

  • It is all about building relationships with the people.

  • So if someone asks you to give a talk or asks you to teach, do it.

  • You'll find the words.

  • I know.

  • Number two.

  • [LAUGH]

  • Use critical analytical thinking and the GSB learning throughout your life.

  • It works.

  • You know, we had a former faculty member here who used to delight in saying to the

  • classes as they left, he'd say, you know you're

  • not as smart as you think you are, but

  • you've learned a lot more here than you know.

  • I went abroad in Australia, in a company.

  • We had a young general counselor there.

  • A couple of years ago, she said to me, you know,

  • I've noticed that you always seem to have the right question.

  • It just gets right to the heart of the issue.

  • Just enough to cause the management team to squirm

  • a little bit cuz they haven't nailed it down.

  • But get to the issue and get us to solve a really difficult challenge.

  • She said to me, how do you learn to do that?

  • And I thought to myself, well I think it starts at the GSB.

  • That's where it started.

  • You know, that's where I learned to

  • think very clearly about well what's the problem?

  • Why is it a problem?

  • What are the alternative solutions to the problem?

  • How are we going to go about evaluating those alternatives

  • and get to a, a decision that seems to make sense?

  • It's a real skill, a real learning, and then to take that

  • learning and translate that into a skill that you developed through practice.

  • You know lots and lots of reviews, listening to a lot of people.

  • Beginning to recognize patterns when you pose a question, and

  • you really can develop the art of asking great questions.

  • Ron Heifetz, who's a leadership scholar at the Kennedy School,

  • has a marvelous phrase that I think is really, really great.

  • He said, you know, one, one can lead with no more

  • than a question in hand, and it is often so true,

  • that, asking that penetrating question that you learn

  • to get a start on here, is the real, the real beginning of leadership.

  • [SOUND] Number one, [LAUGH] I'd

  • like to talk with you in this last

  • point about personal renewal.

  • You know, John Gardner, who said leaders find the words, was passionate

  • about leadership, but his other passion

  • was about something he called personal renewal.

  • And particularly later in his life, after he

  • was about 70, he was quite interested, he

  • wrote some of the most interesting things, I

  • think, some of the most insightful about personal renewal.

  • And what John observed was, he said, you know, I'm puzzled.

  • I'm puzzled why some men and women go to seed.

  • And others remain vital all throughout their lives.

  • He said I, I'm not talking about a failure to get to the top in some achievement.

  • He said that's not the point anyway.

  • He agreed with Shackleton on this.

  • That's not the point.

  • But he said I'm talking about people

  • who, for whatever reason, stop learning and growing.

  • And they're operating far below the level of their potential.

  • It is John said, as if their clock stopped.

  • Now he observed you know, most people enjoy learning and growing.

  • And to do that, it's critical.

  • It's very important to make a periodic self assessment.

  • How am I doing in the learning and growing department?

  • It starts with that awareness.

  • Awareness is a key because if you're going to

  • make a change, if you're going to fix the

  • course you're on to better course, if you're going

  • to get that clock, that maybe is slowing down rewound.

  • You have to start with that assessment.

  • How am I doing in the learning and growing department?

  • And I hope you'll do that periodically throughout your life.

  • But I also hope when you, when you engage in

  • such assessment that you won't be too hard on yourself.

  • That's something John cautioned, don't be too hard on yourself.

  • He said, someone once observed that life is the art of drawing without an eraser.

  • He said it's good to look back for lessons

  • learned, but look forward for optimism, for change, for confidence.

  • But above all, when making those assessments,

  • don't imagine that the story is over.

  • You know, life John said has a lot of chapters.

  • Just keep learning, learning is not just for

  • young people, learning is a life long journey.

  • Learn from your mistakes.

  • As he said, we, we all want to

  • be interesting, we want to be interesting people.

  • And the way to be interesting is to be interested.

  • So be interested, be curious, care about things,

  • risk failure, and reach out to other people.

  • Life, John said, is not a mountain that has a

  • summit, and it's not a game that has a final score.

  • It is, he said, an endless unfolding, it's

  • an endless process of self-discovery.

  • It's an endless and unpredictable dialogue between our own potentialities

  • and they are much greater than you can ever imagine.

  • Our own potentialities and life situations in which we find ourselves.

  • The challenges will keep changing.

  • But life pulls things out of you.

  • He took particular delight in examples of people who were over 70

  • and, or at least in that age group, and kept opening new chapters.

  • John-Paul the 23rd was made Pope when he was 76 years old, but he launched

  • the most vigorous renewal of the Church that had been seen in a century.

  • Winston Churchill was 66.

  • When he became Prime Minister in 1940, you know a friend

  • of Churchill's said he was a man who jaywalked through life.

  • >> [LAUGH].

  • >> But as John observed, you know, it's okay to

  • be a late bloomer, if you don't miss the flower show.

  • And Churchill didn't miss it.

  • Well Reagan turned 70 two weeks before, or two after his first inauguration.

  • Life has many chapters if you allow them to open.

  • And above all as John said, we all want a life of meaning.

  • We want our lives to have meaning.

  • And he said, look meaning is not something you

  • stumble across, you have to build meaning into your life.

  • And you build that meaning into your life by the commitments that you make.

  • Perhaps your commitment will be to your life's

  • work, perhaps to your loved ones, perhaps to your

  • religion, perhaps to your fellow human beings, the

  • important thing is that they be commitments beyond yourself.

  • Now as John said, self-preoccupation is a prison, and the key to getting out

  • of that prison, are these commitments to something beyond yourself.

  • When we're young we search for identity, who am I.

  • And what will my identity be, and as John

  • said, [SOUND] your identity is what you've committed yourself to.

  • And it is so much the case at any point

  • in your life where your commitments are, becomes your identity.

  • And at any moment in time that may simply

  • mean just doing a better job at what you're doing.

  • That, that may be your commitment and that's a great commitment.

  • As John said, in a marvelous phrase that's been quoted over and over again, some men

  • and women make the world a better place just by being the kind of people they are.

  • They have the gift of kindness, or courage, or loyalty, or integrity

  • and be that kind of person would be worth all the years of living and learning.

  • So keep learning, never stop.

  • Keep trying, pick yourself up when you fall.

  • Stay interested, so that you'll be interesting.

  • Stay involved, but above all make and

  • keep commitments, commitments to things greater than you.

  • So you can keep building meaning, into your lives.

  • And my greatest wish tonight for each of you,

  • for each of you, would be a life with meaning.

  • And I take great comfort in knowing that

  • such lives will make the world a better place.

  • So that's my top ten.

  • And I thank you for the privilege of being invited

  • to give a last lecture to the class of 2010.

  • Thank you.

  • [SOUND] Yeah?

  • >> Could you talk a little bit about the capability of students?

  • I know recently

  • we [INAUDIBLE].

  • >> Being here at the school, and yeah.

  • What do you [INAUDIBLE].

  • >> Yeah we certainly had a situation starting in the fall of 08 when we can

  • see [LAUGH] our endowment revenues were gonna be

  • down, and our giving was gonna be down and

  • the last thing I, you know, this was my last year and I didn't wanna turn the

  • school over to the new dean with the

  • expenses going up and the revenues going this way.

  • And I guess I'd had the benefit of living through quite a

  • few recessions and ups and downs

  • and recognizing, again that's this pattern recognition.

  • Recognizing that the best way to deal with these situations is

  • to deal quickly, you know, confront reality and deal with it.

  • I had a director at Wells Fargo who actually was the dean of

  • the business school at the time R.J. Miller, famed for friends of R.J. Miller.

  • [LAUGH] And R.J. had a wonderful saying at the board.

  • He'd say, you know, if you have to cut off a dog's tail, do it once.

  • Don't do it an inch at a time for the poor dog, you know.

  • And it's, and it's so, you know, it's painful

  • but we also knew look the best thing is to get it right sized, the way it should be.

  • We ended up having to lay off 50 staff people.

  • Make some decisions about what would stay open and not but to, to figure

  • the priorities, make the move, do it and get on with it, it, you

  • know, and it's never easy, it's never easy.

  • I think having done it a few times and know

  • you're doing it for the right reason, you're doing it

  • for the good of the greater group and it turns

  • out to be easier in that sense, but it's never easy.

  • But that was, you know, I, I'd been there before.

  • I could see the bad news coming, better to get on it and get on it early.

  • And I certainly didn't wanna leave it to dean

  • so [UNKNOWN] to have to, have to do that.

  • And most, you know, interestingly the, the rest of the university kinda caught the

  • same momentum and we really are much better as a university on top of things.

  • A lot of universities are still now in a budget cutting rollback

  • phase whereas Stanford made the move and we're in much better shape today.

  • Yeah.

  • >> [INAUDIBLE].

  • >> I got it you know, there are a lot of people I admired.

  • Today, unfortunately, the world of CEO's is

  • it's come to the point where no one trusts

  • anybody and I think part of the problem is compensation.

  • I think compensation got out of whack.

  • I, I admire Jack Welch enormously when Jack was CEO, admired

  • Bill Gates, I admired Meg Whitman when she was running eBay.

  • Ann [UNKNOWN] is a friend of mine I admire her enormously for

  • the way she inherited way she did with [UNKNOWN] with out any experience

  • and pulled them out of dungeons and, and as really got them

  • back on track and I particularly

  • admire people who have taken [UNKNOWN] institutions.

  • They got off the rails and brought them back.

  • I have huge admiration for Steve Jobs got fired when he was

  • the CEO of Apple once, he came back later, and like resurrected into

  • a, into a whole new company there, there just, there are lots of,

  • lots of great advice for the CEOs we've had at Wells Fargo [UNKNOWN].

  • So it's, it, the [UNKNOWN] and what he built when he brought the two together.

  • You know, there are lots and lots of

  • really great CEOs out there and great leaders.

  • But it's, it's very hard now to get much in the way of decent press.

  • And it's it's difficult for CEOs to get much airtime, I think.

  • But the, and that's partly a problem of compensation.

  • Yeah?

  • >> Can you talk a little more about

  • renewal, specifically the times that you've renewed, yourself [INAUDIBLE].

  • >> Yes, you know, I think the, the things that help me

  • the most was when I had some of the biggest struggles,

  • some of the biggest challenges and I needed to change.

  • We needed to change an organization.

  • We needed to change a company or change a unit whether I was at West

  • Park in Australia or, or the business I inherited at Wells Fargo in various areas.

  • And it took me quite a while to realize, you

  • know, you're not getting any change if you don't change.

  • You know, I think that's the single biggest learning [LAUGH]

  • that I didn't have at business school but I got later.

  • You know, it, it, you, you have to, you have

  • to model the changes you want other people to, to implement.

  • If you want more customer orientation, if you want more attention to detail, if you

  • want more discipline around finance, whatever it is

  • that's really critical to make the organization successful.

  • You, you have to, you have to be

  • willing to change yourself, and oftentimes people aren't.

  • You know, they'll bring in a consultant, they'll run a

  • training program, they'll have other people do the training [LAUGH],

  • and I kind of learned the hard way that, that,

  • you know, you know, you have to do it yourself.

  • You, you have to lead the training.

  • If, if you wanna run a program for all your senior management.

  • You better learn, lead the first class and show what your willing to do

  • yourself, and therefore what you want other

  • people, what you expect from other people.

  • So I, I you know I guess I went through that, the hardest for me.

  • I, I was in 1981 I had a group at Wells Fargo.

  • That I inherited and I got, you know, I needed change and I gave some orders and

  • all sort of things and six people emailed me that they were quitting and they quit.

  • They went to form they went to a competitor to form a competing firm.

  • [LAUGH].

  • So that was a character-building experience.

  • [LAUGH] I, suddenly everyone was gone and I

  • was able to recruit a person very successfully

  • but he said look you've got to go out there and apologize to all our clients.

  • And that was hard for me, you know I though I

  • didn't do anything wrong, I'm just trying to get this thing right.

  • >> Mm-hm.

  • >> That's the way they see it and I think to that, that was

  • part of a reinvention was to be able to say oh, you know, he's right.

  • I could've done it better and I think that's one of the, one of

  • the things about you know, and I'll tell you about being a different person.

  • You know, you have to be yourself.

  • But as we talk about it in class you can be yourself with more skill.

  • [COUGH] And that's what reinvention is about.

  • It's getting more skillful at being yourself.

  • You know, I don't how many of you have Deb

  • Gruenfeld's Acting with Power, but you know in talking to Deb,

  • I love what she's trying to do because, you know, she's

  • talking about using more than just your brain power, you know?

  • We all leave here as MBA students very good

  • at the analytics and using our brains, but we're

  • not necessarily good at using our emotions and our,

  • our ourselves sometimes, and other aspects of our personality.

  • And in particular just yourself as an actor and a lot of

  • people would say as she says I can't do that, it's not me.

  • And the question well, how do you know if you've never tried that part of you?

  • Often you've only exercised about this much of who you might be.

  • And I think willing to take those risks

  • I've become, I've really came to see particularly

  • in leadership, is an awful lot, as John

  • Gardner said, you know, leadership is an art.

  • It's a performing art, and you're the instrument.

  • [COUGH] And you've gotta use every bit of that instrument that you can, you know?

  • And that may, and that, it doesn't just include your analytical brain power, so

  • there's an awful lot of that I learned along the way and, and I'm still learning.

  • You know, I think particularly the power of symbolism and the power

  • of what what, what you might call almost what an actor, you

  • think of an actor getting into character, he's trying to connect with

  • the audience in an emotional way, as well as an intellectual way.

  • And I think that's something that I try to develop

  • over the last ten or 15 years, of my career.

  • [COUGH] Yeah.

  • >> [INAUDIBLE] currently don't have time for that I'd like to [INAUDIBLE].

  • >> What do I currently don't have time for that I'd like to have time for?

  • You know my, I, I should be spending more time with my wife.

  • [LAUGH] But but I, I'm spending time with my family, and my grandkids.

  • And I'm spending time doing some things I really enjoy doing.

  • I'm working I'm back in banking again.

  • I'm working with Citigroup quite a bit.

  • I'm working with Bechtel and I'm doing a little teaching.

  • And that's kind of what I like to do.

  • I like to work with a couple of companies I admire and would like to

  • help, in one case get back on track and in another case just a great company.

  • And I like to spend some more

  • time teaching and stretching myself in that dimension.

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  • Yeah.

  • >> You've seen a lot of classes lead the geo speak, and I'm wondering if

  • you can comment on what mistakes you see them make commonly out of the gates.

  • And how we might avoid making the same mistake.

  • >> What mistake do I see people making out of the gates?

  • Well I don't, I, I don't that I, all I can tell is what I hear,

  • you know, feedback from from alarms, and feedback from

  • recruiters I think by large students do a tremendous job.

  • And they get started out of the gate very good.

  • If there's one mistake they make out of the gate it's relying so much on

  • the analytics and on the intellectual and less

  • on the team work or the peer relations.

  • I think just the interpersonal skills, the people management.

  • But I think our students do that better than

  • any other group of MBAs in the world you know?

  • So they all had touchy feely, right?

  • [LAUGH] You know, I hear lots of great things

  • about us, but I think, I think if there's

  • something to be on guard for it, it's that,

  • it's that managing sideways, that was a huge thing.

  • I never even thought about it [COUGH] until I was about 15 years

  • into my career, I realized how many enemies I was making of my peers.

  • Because I was just so focused, on doing a good job and I felt if I do a good job

  • I'll get ahead, I'll be fine and I, I just

  • wasn't focused on those peer relationships like I should have been.

  • It doesn't mean schmoozing and all that it just means being aware of what

  • they're trying to do and what, what it takes from them to be successful,

  • cuz it's hard for, it's hard for me to be successful if the other

  • units also aren't even though I, even

  • though they don't, they're not my responsibility.

  • If I'm thinking about the greater good, they are my responsibility.

  • Yeah.

  • Nish.

  • >> [INAUDIBLE] global leader?

  • How do you gain, the credibility and trust of local stakeholders?

  • And what are some of the main [COUGH] the faults

  • you've seen managers make when meeting internationally for the first time?

  • >> I think, I think the biggest challenge

  • in working in another culture which usually we're

  • talking about another country but I know in

  • my case even I saw academia as another culture.

  • And it really, [COUGH] it really was almost like another country.

  • You know, they come here because of just you know, the way people think.

  • The, the things they value.

  • The way decisions get made are different.

  • At, and I think the biggest mistake people make

  • in another culture is they make too many assumptions.

  • They just assume that this is the

  • way people are thinking, and acting, and behaving.

  • That is, it, they come from their frame of reference.

  • Years ago, the first time I was involved in Japan for example.

  • It was very easy to make a mistake that,

  • that the good English speakers were the bright ones.

  • Because those are the ones you can connect with and communicate with.

  • And we often put the good english speaker in a

  • job when they really weren't the best for that job.

  • And that is a kind of an assumption that you make that's really flawed.

  • And so you make the assumption that because

  • someone is quite, they haven't got anything to offer.

  • But, in fact they have a lot to offer.

  • You got to find a way to, to bring them out.

  • And I think the biggest mistakes are not taking the time to understand the culture.

  • You never fully understand, [COUGH] those of you know that, and you never fully

  • understand it, but [COUGH] you need to spend a huge amount of time listening.

  • So probably a mistake [UNKNOWN] too much of talking instead

  • of listening particularly if you find yourself in another culture.

  • I, I think that's, that's the biggest challenge, and you

  • never can learn, you'll never learn and understand deeply another culture.

  • But, so I think partly is to, to recognize that.

  • And to be quite humble about that.

  • And do your best at listening a lot and trying to figure out, you know, what is

  • the value system and the things going on in

  • that culture so that you might be more effective.

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  • Anything else Casey?

  • We got where you wanna get?

  • >> I think we're good, thank you so much.

  • >> Yeah, thank you, thank you very much, thank you.

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