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  • One of the most common ways of dividing the world

  • is into those who believe

  • and those who don't --

  • into the religious and the atheists.

  • And for the last decade or so,

  • it's been quite clear

  • what being an atheist means.

  • There have been some very vocal atheists

  • who've pointed out,

  • not just that religion is wrong,

  • but that it's ridiculous.

  • These people, many of whom have lived in North Oxford,

  • have argued --

  • they've argued that believing in God

  • is akin to believing in fairies

  • and essentially that the whole thing

  • is a childish game.

  • Now I think it's too easy.

  • I think it's too easy

  • to dismiss the whole of religion that way.

  • And it's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

  • And what I'd like to inaugurate today

  • is a new way of being an atheist --

  • if you like, a new version of atheism

  • we could call Atheism 2.0.

  • Now what is Atheism 2.0?

  • Well it starts from a very basic premise:

  • of course, there's no God.

  • Of course, there are no deities or supernatural spirits

  • or angels, etc.

  • Now let's move on; that's not the end of the story,

  • that's the very, very beginning.

  • I'm interested in the kind of constituency

  • that thinks something along these lines:

  • that thinks, "I can't believe in any of this stuff.

  • I can't believe in the doctrines.

  • I don't think these doctrines are right.

  • But," a very important but, "I love Christmas carols.

  • I really like the art of Mantegna.

  • I really like looking at old churches.

  • I really like turning the pages of the Old Testament."

  • Whatever it may be,

  • you know the kind of thing I'm talking about --

  • people who are attracted to the ritualistic side,

  • the moralistic, communal side of religion,

  • but can't bear the doctrine.

  • Until now, these people have faced a rather unpleasant choice.

  • It's almost as though either you accept the doctrine

  • and then you can have all the nice stuff,

  • or you reject the doctrine and

  • you're living in some kind of spiritual wasteland

  • under the guidance of CNN and Walmart.

  • So that's a sort of tough choice.

  • I don't think we have to make that choice.

  • I think there is an alternative.

  • I think there are ways --

  • and I'm being both very respectful and completely impious --

  • of stealing from religions.

  • If you don't believe in a religion,

  • there's nothing wrong with picking and mixing,

  • with taking out the best sides of religion.

  • And for me, atheism 2.0

  • is about both, as I say,

  • a respectful and an impious way

  • of going through religions and saying, "What here could we use?"

  • The secular world is full of holes.

  • We have secularized badly, I would argue.

  • And a thorough study of religion

  • could give us all sorts of insights

  • into areas of life that are not going too well.

  • And I'd like to run through a few of these today.

  • I'd like to kick off by looking at education.

  • Now education is a field

  • the secular world really believes in.

  • When we think about how we're going to make the world a better place,

  • we think education; that's where we put a lot of money.

  • Education is going to give us, not only commercial skills, industrial skills,

  • it's also going to make us better people.

  • You know the kind of thing a commencement address is, and graduation ceremonies,

  • those lyrical claims

  • that education, the process of education -- particularly higher education --

  • will make us into nobler and better human beings.

  • That's a lovely idea.

  • Interesting where it came from.

  • In the early 19th century,

  • church attendance in Western Europe

  • started sliding down very, very sharply, and people panicked.

  • They asked themselves the following question.

  • They said, where are people going to find the morality,

  • where are they going to find guidance,

  • and where are they going to find sources of consolation?

  • And influential voices came up with one answer.

  • They said culture.

  • It's to culture that we should look

  • for guidance, for consolation, for morality.

  • Let's look to the plays of Shakespeare,

  • the dialogues of Plato, the novels of Jane Austen.

  • In there, we'll find a lot of the truths

  • that we might previously have found in the Gospel of Saint John.

  • Now I think that's a very beautiful idea and a very true idea.

  • They wanted to replace scripture with culture.

  • And that's a very plausible idea.

  • It's also an idea that we have forgotten.

  • If you went to a top university --

  • let's say you went to Harvard or Oxford or Cambridge --

  • and you said, "I've come here

  • because I'm in search of morality, guidance and consolation;

  • I want to know how to live,"

  • they would show you the way to the insane asylum.

  • This is simply not what our grandest and best institutes of higher learning

  • are in the business of.

  • Why? They don't think we need it.

  • They don't think we are in an urgent need of assistance.

  • They see us as adults, rational adults.

  • What we need is information.

  • We need data, we don't need help.

  • Now religions start from a very different place indeed.

  • All religions, all major religions,

  • at various points call us children.

  • And like children,

  • they believe that we are in severe need of assistance.

  • We're only just holding it together.

  • Perhaps this is just me, maybe you.

  • But anyway, we're only just holding it together.

  • And we need help. Of course, we need help.

  • And so we need guidance and we need didactic learning.

  • You know, in the 18th century in the U.K.,

  • the greatest preacher, greatest religious preacher, was a man called John Wesley,

  • who went up and down this country delivering sermons,

  • advising people how they could live.

  • He delivered sermons on the duties of parents to their children

  • and children to their parents,

  • the duties of the rich to the poor and the poor to the rich.

  • He was trying to tell people how they should live

  • through the medium of sermons,

  • the classic medium of delivery of religions.

  • Now we've given up with the idea of sermons.

  • If you said to a modern liberal individualist,

  • "Hey, how about a sermon?"

  • they'd go, "No, no. I don't need one of those.

  • I'm an independent, individual person."

  • What's the difference between a sermon

  • and our modern, secular mode of delivery, the lecture?

  • Well a sermon wants to change your life

  • and a lecture wants to give you a bit of information.

  • And I think we need to get back to that sermon tradition.

  • The tradition of sermonizing is hugely valuable,

  • because we are in need of guidance,

  • morality and consolation --

  • and religions know that.

  • Another point about education:

  • we tend to believe in the modern secular world

  • that if you tell someone something once, they'll remember it.

  • Sit them in a classroom, tell them about Plato

  • at the age of 20, send them out for a career in management consultancy for 40 years,

  • and that lesson will stick with them.

  • Religions go, "Nonsense.

  • You need to keep repeating the lesson 10 times a day.

  • So get on your knees and repeat it."

  • That's what all religions tell us:

  • "Get on you knees and repeat it 10 or 20 or 15 times a day."

  • Otherwise our minds are like sieves.

  • So religions are cultures of repetition.

  • They circle the great truths again and again and again.

  • We associate repetition with boredom.

  • "Give us the new," we're always saying.

  • "The new is better than the old."

  • If I said to you, "Okay, we're not going to have new TED.

  • We're just going to run through all the old ones

  • and watch them five times because they're so true.

  • We're going to watch Elizabeth Gilbert five times

  • because what she says is so clever," you'd feel cheated.

  • Not so if you're adopting a religious mindset.

  • The other things that religions do

  • is to arrange time.

  • All the major religions give us calendars.

  • What is a calendar?

  • A calendar is a way of making sure that across the year

  • you will bump into certain very important ideas.

  • In the Catholic chronology, Catholic calendar,

  • at the end of March you will think about St. Jerome

  • and his qualities of humility and goodness

  • and his generosity to the poor.

  • You won't do that by accident; you will do that because you are guided to do that.

  • Now we don't think that way.

  • In the secular world we think, "If an idea is important, I'll bump into it.

  • I'll just come across it."

  • Nonsense, says the religious world view.

  • Religious view says we need calendars, we need to structure time,

  • we need to synchronize encounters.

  • This comes across also

  • in the way in which religions set up rituals

  • around important feelings.

  • Take the Moon. It's really important to look at the Moon.

  • You know, when you look at the Moon,

  • you think, "I'm really small. What are my problems?"

  • It sets things into perspective, etc., etc.

  • We should all look at the Moon a bit more often. We don't.

  • Why don't we? Well there's nothing to tell us, "Look at the Moon."

  • But if you're a Zen Buddhist in the middle of September,

  • you will be ordered out of your home, made to stand on a canonical platform

  • and made to celebrate the festival of Tsukimi,

  • where you will be given poems to read

  • in honor of the Moon and the passage of time

  • and the frailty of life that it should remind us of.

  • You'll be handed rice cakes.

  • And the Moon and the reflection on the Moon

  • will have a secure place in your heart.

  • That's very good.

  • The other thing that religions are really aware of

  • is: speak well --

  • I'm not doing a very good job of this here --

  • but oratory, oratory is absolutely key to religions.

  • In the secular world, you can come through the university system and be a lousy speaker

  • and still have a great career.

  • But the religious world doesn't think that way.

  • What you're saying needs to be backed up

  • by a really convincing way of saying it.

  • So if you go to an African-American Pentecostalist church

  • in the American South

  • and you listen to how they talk,

  • my goodness, they talk well.

  • After every convincing point, people will go, "Amen, amen, amen."

  • At the end of a really rousing paragraph, they'll all stand up,

  • and they'll go, "Thank you Jesus, thank you Christ, thank you Savior."

  • If we were doing it like they do it --

  • let's not do it, but if we were to do it --

  • I would tell you something like, "Culture should replace scripture."

  • And you would go, "Amen, amen, amen."

  • And at the end of my talk, you would all stand up

  • and you would go, "Thank you Plato, thank you Shakespeare, thank you Jane Austen."

  • And we'd know that we had a real rhythm going.

  • All right, all right. We're getting there. We're getting there.

  • (Applause)

  • The other thing that religions know is we're not just brains,

  • we are also bodies.

  • And when they teach us a lesson,

  • they do it via the body.

  • So for example,

  • take the Jewish idea of forgiveness.

  • Jews are very interested in forgiveness

  • and how we should start anew and start afresh.

  • They don't just deliver us sermons on this.

  • They don't just give us books or words about this.

  • They tell us to have a bath.

  • So in Orthodox Jewish communities, every Friday you go to a Mikveh.

  • You immerse yourself in the water,

  • and a physical action backs up a philosophical idea.

  • We don't tend to do that.

  • Our ideas are in one area and our behavior with our bodies is in another.

  • Religions are fascinating in the way they try and combine the two.

  • Let's look at art now.

  • Now art is something that in the secular world,

  • we think very highly of. We think art is really, really important.

  • A lot of our surplus wealth goes to museums, etc.

  • We sometimes hear it said

  • that museums are our new cathedrals, or our new churches.

  • You've heard that saying.

  • Now I think that the potential is there,

  • but we've completely let ourselves down.

  • And the reason we've let ourselves down

  • is that we're not properly studying

  • how religions handle art.

  • The two really bad ideas that are hovering in the modern world

  • that inhibit our capacity to draw strength from art:

  • The first idea is that art should be for art's sake --

  • a ridiculous idea --

  • an idea that art should live in a hermetic bubble

  • and should not try to do anything with this troubled world.

  • I couldn't disagree more.

  • The other thing that we believe is that art shouldn't explain itself,

  • that artists shouldn't say what they're up to,

  • because if they said it, it might destroy the spell

  • and we might find it too easy.

  • That's why a very common feeling when you're in a museum --

  • let's admit it --

  • is, "I don't know what this is about."

  • But if we're serious people, we don't admit to that.

  • But that feeling of puzzlement is structural

  • to contemporary art.

  • Now religions have a much saner attitude to art.

  • They have no trouble telling us what art is about.

  • Art is about two things in all the major faiths.

  • Firstly, it's trying to remind you

  • of what there is to love.

  • And secondly, it's trying to remind you

  • of what there is to fear and to hate.

  • And that's what art is.

  • Art is a visceral encounter with the most important ideas of your faith.

  • So as you walk around a church,

  • or a mosque or a cathedral,

  • what you're trying to imbibe, what you're imbibing is,

  • through your eyes, through your senses,

  • truths that have otherwise come to you through your mind.

  • Essentially it's propaganda.

  • Rembrandt is a propagandist

  • in the Christian view.

  • Now the word "propaganda" sets off alarm bells.

  • We think of Hitler, we think of Stalin. Don't, necessarily.

  • Propaganda is a manner of being didactic in honor of something.

  • And if that thing is good, there's no problem with it at all.

  • My view is that museums should take a leaf out of the book of religions.

  • And they should make sure that when you walk into a museum --

  • if I was a museum curator,

  • I would make a room for love, a room for generosity.

  • All works of art are talking to us about things.

  • And if we were able to arrange spaces

  • where we could come across works

  • where we would be told, use these works of art

  • to cement these ideas in your mind,

  • we would get a lot more out of art.

  • Art would pick up the duty that it used to have

  • and that we've neglected because of certain mis-founded ideas.

  • Art should be one of the tools

  • by which we improve our society.

  • Art should be didactic.

  • Let's think of something else.

  • The people in the modern world, in the secular world,

  • who are interested in matters of the spirit,

  • in matters of the mind,

  • in higher soul-like concerns,

  • tend to be isolated individuals.

  • They're poets, they're philosophers, they're photographers, they're filmmakers.

  • And they tend to be on their own.

  • They're our cottage industries. They are vulnerable, single people.

  • And they get depressed and they get sad on their own.

  • And they don't really change much.

  • Now think about religions, think about organized religions.

  • What do organized religions do?

  • They group together, they form institutions.

  • And that has all sorts of advantages.

  • First of all, scale, might.

  • The Catholic Church pulled in 97 billion dollars last year

  • according to the Wall Street Journal.

  • These are massive machines.

  • They're collaborative, they're branded, they're multinational,

  • and they're highly disciplined.

  • These are all very good qualities.

  • We recognize them in relation to corporations.

  • And corporations are very like religions in many ways,

  • except they're right down at the bottom of the pyramid of needs.

  • They're selling us shoes and cars.

  • Whereas the people who are selling us the higher stuff --

  • the therapists, the poets --

  • are on their own and they have no power,

  • they have no might.

  • So religions are the foremost example

  • of an institution that is fighting for the things of the mind.

  • Now we may not agree with what religions are trying to teach us,

  • but we can admire the institutional way

  • in which they're doing it.

  • Books alone, books written by lone individuals,

  • are not going to change anything.

  • We need to group together.

  • If you want to change the world, you have to group together, you have to be collaborative.

  • And that's what religions do.

  • They are multinational, as I say,

  • they are branded, they have a clear identity,

  • so they don't get lost in a busy world.

  • That's something we can learn from.

  • I want to conclude.

  • Really what I want to say

  • is for many of you who are operating in a range of different fields,

  • there is something to learn from the example of religion --

  • even if you don't believe any of it.

  • If you're involved in anything that's communal,

  • that involves lots of people getting together,

  • there are things for you in religion.

  • If you're involved, say, in a travel industry in any way,

  • look at pilgrimage.

  • Look very closely at pilgrimage.

  • We haven't begun to scratch the surface

  • of what travel could be

  • because we haven't looked at what religions do with travel.

  • If you're in the art world,

  • look at the example of what religions are doing with art.

  • And if you're an educator in any way,

  • again, look at how religions are spreading ideas.

  • You may not agree with the ideas,

  • but my goodness, they're highly effective mechanisms for doing so.

  • So really my concluding point

  • is you may not agree with religion,

  • but at the end of the day,

  • religions are so subtle, so complicated,

  • so intelligent in many ways

  • that they're not fit to be abandoned to the religious alone;

  • they're for all of us.

  • Thank you very much.

  • (Applause)

  • Chris Anderson: Now this is actually a courageous talk,

  • because you're kind of setting up yourself in some ways

  • to be ridiculed in some quarters.

  • AB: You can get shot by both sides.

  • You can get shot by the hard-headed atheists,

  • and you can get shot by those who fully believe.

  • CA: Incoming missiles from North Oxford at any moment.

  • AB: Indeed.

  • CA: But you left out one aspect of religion

  • that a lot of people might say

  • your agenda could borrow from,

  • which is this sense --

  • that's actually probably the most important thing to anyone who's religious --

  • of spiritual experience,

  • of some kind of connection

  • with something that's bigger than you are.

  • Is there any room for that experience in Atheism 2.0?

  • AB: Absolutely. I, like many of you, meet people

  • who say things like, "But isn't there something bigger than us,

  • something else?"

  • And I say, "Of course." And they say, "So aren't you sort of religious?"

  • And I go, "No." Why does that sense of mystery,

  • that sense of the dizzying scale of the universe,

  • need to be accompanied by a mystical feeling?

  • Science and just observation

  • gives us that feeling without it,

  • so I don't feel the need.

  • The universe is large and we are tiny,

  • without the need for further religious superstructure.

  • So one can have so-called spiritual moments

  • without belief in the spirit.

  • CA: Actually, let me just ask a question.

  • How many people here would say

  • that religion is important to them?

  • Is there an equivalent process

  • by which there's a sort of bridge

  • between what you're talking about and what you would say to them?

  • AB: I would say that there are many, many gaps in secular life

  • and these can be plugged.

  • It's not as though, as I try to suggest,

  • it's not as though either you have religion

  • and then you have to accept all sorts of things,

  • or you don't have religion

  • and then you're cut off from all these very good things.

  • It's so sad that we constantly say,

  • "I don't believe so I can't have community,

  • so I'm cut off from morality,

  • so I can't go on a pilgrimage."

  • One wants to say, "Nonsense. Why not?"

  • And that's really the spirit of my talk.

  • There's so much we can absorb.

  • Atheism shouldn't cut itself off from the rich sources of religion.

  • CA: It seems to me that there's plenty of people in the TED community

  • who are atheists.

  • But probably most people in the community

  • certainly don't think that religion is going away any time soon

  • and want to find the language

  • to have a constructive dialogue

  • and to feel like we can actually talk to each other

  • and at least share some things in common.

  • Are we foolish to be optimistic

  • about the possibility of a world

  • where, instead of religion being the great rallying cry

  • of divide and war,

  • that there could be bridging?

  • AB: No, we need to be polite about differences.

  • Politeness is a much-overlooked virtue.

  • It's seen as hypocrisy.

  • But we need to get to a stage when you're an atheist

  • and someone says, "Well you know, I did pray the other day,"

  • you politely ignore it.

  • You move on.

  • Because you've agreed on 90 percent of things,

  • because you have a shared view on so many things,

  • and you politely differ.

  • And I think that's what the religious wars of late have ignored.

  • They've ignored the possibility of harmonious disagreement.

  • CA: And finally, does this new thing that you're proposing

  • that's not a religion but something else,

  • does it need a leader,

  • and are you volunteering to be the pope?

  • (Laughter)

  • AB: Well, one thing that we're all very suspicious of

  • is individual leaders.

  • It doesn't need it.

  • What I've tried to lay out is a framework

  • and I'm hoping that people can just fill it in.

  • I've sketched a sort of broad framework.

  • But wherever you are, as I say, if you're in the travel industry, do that travel bit.

  • If you're in the communal industry, look at religion and do the communal bit.

  • So it's a wiki project.

  • (Laughter)

  • CA: Alain, thank you for sparking many conversations later.

  • (Applause)

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