Bette Davis: There's always that old excuse here that this is not the time to do a picture like that.

The public doesn't want it now.

Well, I don't think the public knows what they want until they see it.

I really, really think it's exactly like saying to your child, "What would you like for dinner?"

You don't know until they see it. The public can't say what they want to see.

It's up to us to decide and hope to God they like it.

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Shirley Eder: You have courage of your convictions.

You have courage to say what you want to say.

Bette Davis: I never said anything that was unprintable.

Never said anything just for the sake of being, you know, startling.

They were always just opinions about things that one encountered as one went through life.

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Bette Davis: But I was always terribly outspoken

and just always said what I thought in as much as I knew about it.

They say that in Hollywood one can't do that

but I think honesty counts in Hollywood just as much as it does anywhere else.

I think it's just too much trouble to be dishonest and keep up with yourself.

There's simpler roads to say what you think.

Then you haven't got to always check as to what you said to one person

and what you said to another. I think this would be exhausting actually.

One can be respected with the truth in Hollywood just as much as anywhere else.

Or else I wouldn't have had a career.

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Shirley Eder: Do you feel that being…. let's forget modesty and let's be honest.

Do you feel that having a certain amount of intelligence, as you do,

is sometimes a hindrance in your field?

Bette Davis: As a female I think it's a terrible hindrance in business.

I think it's a terrible hindrance for any female to have a lot of intelligence in private life.

but I think in business sometimes it's even worse because there's deep resentment.

No question about it, from the male side of the business. We all work for men.

You know they're the people in charge and I think they find women easier

who haven't the ability to think for themselves or stand up for themselves.

One can make more enemies as a female with a brain I think.

No question about that; among the opposite sex.

But I don't think in business it matters

whether you're a man or a woman if you can do your job and have a brain.

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Shirley Eder: Bette Davis, when you come home from studio after having to fight in a man's world

was it difficult to come home and then really be a woman?

Bette Davis: No, because whether it was difficult or not I worked very hard at it.

I think I worked much too hard at it because I went way overboard the other way of proving

I was definitely just a female, and trying to divide up the two.

Of course, it should never be attempted because it cannot be done. It's impossible.

It's too much work. It's ridiculous. But I must say I did try

because I believe one should be a woman at home.

Actually, I think business women are better women at home, if you want to know the truth

because you do understand what goes into a day’s work out in the world,

a very nerve-racking affair.

And that's what life boils down to in the long run anyway.

That's all marriage is, is a great, great, wonderful communion of interest and a friendship.

They don’t seem to want it to be that simple. I don’t know… [LAUGHS]

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Bette Davis: I think men have got to change an awful lot.

I think somehow they still prefer the little woman.

They're just staying way, way behind

and so as a rule I think millions of women are very happy to be by themselves,

they're so bored with the whole business of trying to be the little woman,

when no such thing really exists anymore. It just simply doesn't.

This world's gone way beyond it.

The real female should be partly male and the real male should be partly female anyway.

So if you ever run into that in either sex you've run into something very, very fine,

I think.

Shirley Eder: We'll have to start a whole new sex.

Bette Davis: Well there is a new sex starting I think that is neither man nor woman.

It's a very independent male creature that lives alone,

and a lot of independent females who live alone.

It’s all very sad but it's much easier for both sexes to do it this way nowadays.

I have often said, “If men found out how to give birth to children they'll never propose again."

You know it’s really The way the world is going. There's no question about it. [LAUGHS]

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Bette Davis: There's no writing for women anymore, this is the truth. There is none.

Shirley Eder: Women have always been the glamor part of the industry. I don't understand that.

Bette Davis: Women are the essential part of the theater

but the writers are not writing about women.

I think they're too perplexed about the whole female situation probably.

The world's all full of thoughts about wars and space, and tragedies to the world.

That's what writers are thinking about because that's what the world is thinking about.

It's very sad because that's when we could use entertainment like mad to forget all of this

but there seems to be no subjects that they write about.

Shirley Eder: Bette Davis I think you are very kind to let me come up here.

Bette Davis: No, I love seeing you.

Shirley Eder: It really is a pleasure seeing and talking with you.

I don't often get this kind of joy from an interview. Thank you very much.

Bette Davis: I'll have to take you and show you my birch trees now.

Shirley Eder: Good, and this is Shirley Eder thanking Bette Davis, wishing her well,

and returning us to Radio Central.

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