Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles Hello. My name is Matt Kuyvenhoven. I'm a junior, studying Marketing at Calvin College. And I'd like to welcome you all to the 2017 January Series. I'd also like to extend a special welcome to our guests on our, or on three of our thirty, or three of our fifty remote webcast locations in Denver, Colorado, Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Whitehall, Michigan. Now if you would all please bow your heads and pray with me. Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day, we thank you for safe travels here today. We thank you Lord for the daily opportunity to challenge ourselves, grow and learn, especially in this month of the January Series. Lord, we acknowledge your presence with us in the trials of our lives and we pray that we can acknowledge them more often on a daily basis. Be with us this day. Keep us healthy, keep us safe. In your name we pray, Amen. Now, Jordan Daley. He's a research associate at Calvin Center for Social Research. He's going to introduce our guest. [applause] Good afternoon. As Matthew mentioned, I'm a recent grad of Calvin. And while I was here, I took advantage of an opportunity that would remind me how big our world is, and that our God is even bigger. I joined a group of Calvin students and faculty as we followed the yellow conch shells through the way of St. James El Camino de Santiago. El Camino is a 500-mile pilgrimage through northern Spain with its orgins in early Christianity. Presently, people from around the world continue to traverse El Camino for a variety of personal and spritual reasons. I had expectations for my trip, such as eating unique food, practicing my Spanish, and getting to know other Calvin students. I experienced so much more. I found rest and renewal, was reminded of what it truly means to be in a community, and learned to embrace aspects of creation that we often take for granted. Ultimately, I learned not to put limits on what God has in store for our journey. Throughout my trip, I listened to stories of others and got to see life from their perspective. Today, we get to hear about life from yet another perspective. Through an incredible story that not only enriched the lives of those along the Camino, but continues to enrich lives each day. This is the story of Justin Skeesuck and Patrick Gray. Justin lives with a neuromuscular disease that progressively restricts the ability to use the arms and the legs. Many people might consider this a fundamental opportunity to place limits on God's plan for the future, and be content with saying, “I can’t.” These two gentlemen did just the opposite. As they embarked on a 34-day journey with a resolve to overcome all manner of obstacles that they might face. One in a wheelchair and one on foot, Justin would trust Patrick to push him through the Camino. By relying on faith, friendship, and fierce determination, these best friends of over 40 years took on a challenge that many would consider unimaginable. And in doing so, they inspired communities across the world. Justin and Patrick have both continued to move lives through the production of their film and their upcoming book both titled, “I’ll Push You,” and their foundation, Push Inc. which emphasizes the importance of community and relying on one another to tackle life's many challenges. We are very excited to have them here today. Before we continue, we’d like to remind you that Justin and Patrick will be available to greet the audience in the west lobby of the Covenant Fine Arts Center following the presentation. Calvin College is grateful to GMB Architect and Engineers and the Richard and Helen DeVos foundation for underwriting today’s presentation. Before they take the main stage, there will a brief video. Without further ado, please join me in welcoming to today’s January Series, Justin Skeesuck and Patrick Gray. [clapping] [walking] -It still amazes me how far we've come (music playing in background) -That's been something that's so rare. I haven't seen a friendship like that before. I don't know how much time he has [music] Mechanical malfunction It's hard not to feel like a burden in this - fabrication? *groans* slow, go slowly ahh I'm cramping -His body is feeling the effects of the last several days (music playing) -It sucks! Trying not to let Justin know that it sucks though. (music playing) -Man! I don't like who I am (music playing) Okay seriously dude it's time to walk - *laughs* I'm just faking it guys -I have no idea how far this goes -I don't either Sometimes, it's best not to know -It's really hard to let somebody do that for you (music playing) -Yo what's up bro? *laughter* (music playing) -I don't know how I'm gonna be able to do it (music playing) ***** (music playing) These are waters that are too deep for me to handle on my own (music playing) It was pretty stupid. Honey, I love you if I die I love you -If I do have the time that I have here now, then let's enjoy it (music playing) How're you guys doing? *clapping* -alright, How's everyone doing today? (laughter) Alright, we're gonna take you guys for a wild ride today. How does that sound? You guys in for it? You ready? So uh, first off, thank you very much for having us and Calvin and our underwriters for graciously getting us here We are very, very grateful for the opportunity, so thank you, and for all of you guys for taking time out of your day to hear us ramble on for a little while. We're gonna share some stories with you today Just for clarification I am Justin Skeesuck and this is my BFF forever, Patrick Gray. And uh, we're grateful, so thank you. Yes, thank you. So we're gonna share some stories And the stories we're gonna share today, there's a number of them um, mostly relate to this journey you just saw a little bit of a, a few video clips about but, uh, these stories are stories that have kind of shaped our perspective on life. uh, a perspective that, permeates kind of who we are and, we hope will permeate the world around us. They've influenced our mindset on our relationship with one another our mindset surrounding our families and most notably reshaped our perspective on God And it's a gift and a blessing that we get to share these stories and so we are just thankful that we get to be here with you guys today but before we dive into some of those stories Justin is going to give you a little backstory on our history. Real quick, can we get the monitor up front? It's not showing up so I don't have to turn my head around please? While they are working on that I think I can go off of memory, so we will see how this goes. So Patrick and I, like you learned a little bit about our intro, we have known each other for almost 42 years. We were born in the same hospital, just about 36 hours apart. Our mothers knew each other when they were growing up. Our parents knew each other growing up, or when they got to college. And we've been very, very blessed to have a very lifelong friendship that we've just been exploring all together. We grew up just like normal kids Doing, kind of like, fun crazy stuff And not being anything crazy just getting in trouble now and then But we did alright You know when I was fifteen and a half almost sixteen and a half sixteen years old My life changed When I was just before my sixteenth birthday I was traveling from my hometown to a nearby town to play in a basketball tournament And a friend of mine was driving his truck and ended up rolling it on the freeway going about 80 miles per hour And believe it or not I actually walked away from the accident couple scrapes and bruises nothing to really be concerned about Except for just going through this really crazy accident But about six months later I started noticing weakness in my left foot I was running down othe soccer field that following fall and my foot was just flopping around it wasn't working the way that it should So I brought it to my parents' attention and went to a podiatrist and he said that he couldn't do anything for me so he said I think you need to go see a neurologist And so I went to see a neurologist and he was completely stumped and thus my lifelong pursuit of being in doctor's offices I didn't know it at the time being so young I'm going to condense this long story into a short story for the sake of time today But several years later I was finally diagnosed with a progressive neuromuscular disease called Are you guys ready? I might quiz you later It's called multifocal aquired motor axonopathy Did you guys get that? If you want to know what it's like It is almost identical to ALS So those of you who know what that disease is like, not a good one. Eventually my life will be cut short With ALS, you typically have a four to six year lifespan sometimes shorter sometimes longer But mine is an unknown diagnosis it just progresses and eventually I should, from what I've been told, pass away due to complications from the disease that I have So, as you can imagine, it makes life quite challenging. It started with my left foot, went up my left leg, went to my right foot, jumped up my right leg, and stayed to my waist and below for many years. And throughout that time, I was able to use braces on my feet to keep me upright, and then as my legs started getting weaker, I started using a cane; one of which Patrick actually made for me. Pat made a cane for me one time. And a walker, then I ended up using a manual wheelchair full time, and now I use a power wheelchair full-time. For most of my twenties I was able to adapt and live life. Despite the disease that I have, I ended up getting married and I had three kids. I had children and life was okay. I was able to keep managing and keep doing what I was doing. But in the winter of 2010, my life changed yet again. In about January of that year, right at the beginning of the New Year, I started noticing weakness in my upper right shoulder, and within about forty days or so, so by the beginning of March of that year, I had lost about 60-70% of my upper body use. It went very very quickly. So, how do you eat? How do you go to the bathroom? How do you get your clothes on? How do you hold your children and your wife and do stuff around the house? Very very difficult time in my life. Um as Pat will probably tell you, I'm kind of a half glass full type of guy. I'm just kinda wired that way But this is the first time of my life where I faced complete blackness and if any of you have ever been there, it is a horrible place to be Horrible place because you can't see your way out and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking of Um, to be honest with you, I started thinking about Would it be easier if I took my own life, you know? It's a burden that I put upon my family And I'm basically becoming like a little kid again I have to be, from the first time I get up in the morning till the time I go to bed at night I have to be bathed and I have to have my clothes put on, I have to be fed And it's like why did I why did I put that on my wife And you know, take care of me and I realized at that time after leaning on friends and family and our Christian faith I mean thank God I have uh a cornerstone in Christ I mean I had never leaned so hard in my entire life on that and slowly but surely, I could start seeing that you know what? I have two choices I could make I could take the easy way out Or I could try to do something with my life and make the best of it. Would it be difficult? Yes! without a doubt and so I decided that, you know what? Life's too short, Im'a make the best of it and I'm gonna do what what I can -So the same time frame, 2010 February uh Justin calls me At the time, he was living in San Diego, I'm up in Idaho and he calls to tell me about this loss of function in upper body and he he told you that he's a you know kind of a half glass full kinda guy. That's kind of an understatement. He's annoyingly positive all the time *laughter* uh um and it's man, his life is not always that good but apparently it is But I mean, we've lived life together in and out so I know him like in so many ways and to be able to hear over the phone a complete change in his countenance his, I mean that's a weighty moment and I know he's facing something dark but while he's figuring out his way to wrestle out of this darkness I went down my own dark hole and I became very very angry at God I was bitter, I was furious, I've never yelled at Him so much in my life How dare you take away his hands, how dare you take away his feet How dare you take away his ability to hold his kids and his wife Now, he hasn't told you is it up to this point his career as a graphic designer, the implications of this change are huge waist and below, he can navigate that, he can still do all the many design projects, pay the bills but now, what used to take 40hours takes 80 and the writing is on the wall, this is over And I distanced myself from from the only place I needed to go I distanced myself from God as far as I could Fast forward 2 years, we're in 2012 Justin and his family are up in Idaho visiting us and I'm still going to church but not happy about it by any means, and after a church service, our families are out in the foyer we're chatting with some people and the gentleman who actually was our youth pastor as kids takes Justin aside and they're having this conversation and I'm kinda doing this you know, kinda listening like what are you talking about? totally, really evesdropping -nobody is ever guilty of that -nobody least of all me And this gentleman, his name is Ed He asks Justin a question He said, If you knew right now that you could be made whole, made whole you could walk again, you could use your hands, would you choose it? It's like everybody knows the answer to that question of course! He said "No I would not" No And it was in that moment where there was a paradigm shift shift in my thinking. okay for the past two years, I've been fighting a battle that he wasn't fighting In a weird way, I made it about me I had wanted to fight a battle I wanted the healing, I wanted him to be made whole And he was just wanting me to step in to be his hands and feet Very different perspective. I missed out on a relationship for 2 years It's amazing what can happen when God changes your perspective Then you realize that wait a minute we, you and I so often we are His provision for the world I had a gift that he was asking me to receive To be someone who helps him and finally I'm like oh I get it now And sometimes when you get it, God is like okay now you're ready for something new So Spring of 2012, sitting in my living room nondescript Saturday just minding my own business, I think my kids are probably getting into some trouble somewhere Um, sitting in the living room flipping through the channels and on comes PBS with Rick Steves. Anybody know who Rick Steves is? Yeah! and I love him, He's so dorky, I love him -I want him to hear you say that some time -Yeah, he might slap me if he ever heard me say that But you know the episode that was on, I was like this looks interesting was on Northern Spain um Pamplona Running of the Bulls, that whole thing and this pilgrimage across Northern Spain called the Camino de Santiago hm. Interesting. So I watched this episode and I recorded it And I brought my wife into the living room and I showed her part of it and I said what do you think? Do you think I could do this in my wheelchair? And she said, if you wanna go do it, go do it I was like okay got wife's buy-in, that's the big one that's a big one a couple weeks later, Patrick was now visiting me in San Diego With his for spring break and came down with his family and I recorded this episode and we had been talking about doing a trip together as just the two of us and we had can't quite hadn't quite landed on something yet So I showed him this epidsode and I remember very clearly In my living room, sitting to my right on a chair and I showed him the whole thing and I said "What do you think?" and his answer was very simple and direct. and he just said, "I'll push you" we both go, okay not knowing what we were getting ourselves into at this very very moment that decision, no idea -no idea So how many of the individuals in this room by show of hands have walked some portion of the Camino a fair number, okay that's impressive. Alright, I'm gonna give you a quick little history lesson for those of you who aren't familiar with it The Camino de Santiago dates back to the 19th century and it rests in the idea that the bones of St. James are buried in the Cathedral in Santiago de Compostela in northwestern Spain there's a myriad of routes that people take One of the most popular ones, it was called the Frenchway which, the area that we, the the route that we took starts in St. Jean Pied de Port which is in the southwestern corner of France and it's 500 miles from East to West the route we took anyway, it was 500miles to Santiago In the northwestern corner of Spain. Now, I'm not a real great uh geography buff so you probably should look through the map and realize that southwestern france is actually on the wrong side of the Pyrenees mountain range um but live and learn -slight oversight -yah I've been known to make a few of those And what it is is it's such a beautiful journey where you unplug from so much of life and you meet people from all over the world, all walks of life who are there for different reasons they might be there for a spiritual reason, they might be there for uh just a sheer challenge to see if they could do this You meet a lot of people who are dealing with a lot of struggles and grief and throughout this entire process you get to engage in remarkable relationships day in and day out -Day 1 we had to go over the Pyrenees in one day had never been done before in its history at least that's what we've been told So um so along for the ride came our buddy Ted Hardy who's a fire fighter EMT in um in uh kind of a he's known Pat for a lot, quite some time and I got to know him when I moved to Idaho and so he said "hey do you guys need help and we said uh yeah we need help getting over the Pyrenees" and he's like oh I'm in so it's the 3 of us and he can only come for a few days so he's there right on day one so as we left St. Jean, It is absolutely beautiful but it is straight uphill Those of you in the room who have actually walked from St. Jean will know that is straight uphill all day long and it is as you keep climbing you can see how steep it is Uh you can see the wheelchair that I took, I took a specialized wheelchair, I describe it as a three-wheel baby jogger on steroids that's basically what it is, It took five months to make and it cost about $8,000 uh luckily a sponsor paid for that and with me in it and gear and water, it was about 250 pounds So it's quite heavy going up and quite heavy going down there's Patrick about to throw up -This is three miles into a 17mile day mind you so this is the worst position you can be taking at mile three Not a good start -No -So we keep climbing inch by inch keep working our way up and we come up to this stone cross, like stone monument way up in the mountains and we can tell we're getting higher and higher and I look ahead and I turn to the guys and I'm like "No way, that can't be the trail" "It can't be" And it is just rocks and boulders going over this section and so I said "Okay well lets navigate get our way up there as close as we can to where we are." and there's no way to go like, I had to go be carried over so go ahead and play the next so Patrick, I brought a specialized sling um a little sling where Pat and Ted would put me in it to carry me for situations like this, Actually we thought ahead on that one and this section it took us an hour and a half to go about 100 yards like 15 feet, 15 feet, 20 feet at a time Pat and Ted would pick me up, set me down, pick me up, go up and scout you know just working out way through this section inch by inch and they laid me down on this grassy area, to go up and scout And I'm just taking in the moment just trying to get a sense of peace in this chaotic thing that we're going through and I hear footsteps come up behind me And I'm thinking "Oh it's probably Pat or Ted" And I open my eyes and there's a man standing over the top of me slapping me in the face [audience laughter] The full French beret, the whole deal and I'm like And he had the biggest grin on his face and I'm like "Hi?" And he I mean he was just so excited to see me And it wasn't like a hard slap it wasn't like he was like whack you know, -it was gentle -It was like an affectionate Italian mother you know to her child -mostly affectionate but yeah he was just saying how crazy we were to be there its like, yes we are we're a little crazy -So this gentlemen is a bast former he was up in the area and it turns out that he had been actually preparing a pilgrim's hut so those of you who have gone through St. Jean you remember that top Pyrenees there's a shell and stone hut, so this guy for the past 12 years has repaired that hut every single year so pilgrims have a place to stay And he had never seen a crazy American in a wheelchair coming over to the Pyrenees So he slapped him in the face -he slapped me in the face -but this exchange was remarkable because after we had this conversation and we were working through broken Spanish and broken English to figure out who he is he walks away back to what he was doing, but before he gets back up to the top of the hill he turns and shouts back at us with both fists raised up in the air, and he says "The impossible is possible, the impossible is possible" and off he goes, never saw him again but those words, oh my word, to have someone speak truth and life into you in that way, I mean, That's something that we will never, never forget, never forget -so Pat and Ted put me back in my chair thinking that we're through the worst of it get back settled, come around the corner and we encounter this Hundreds of yards of mud. Some sections as deep as a foot deep And there was cliff on one you can see on the left right there's a little bypass trail that pilgrims have taken but it was just cliff on one side and mountain on the other and there was no way but to go through it and muscle our way through this thing and I learned a quote thats very apropros to this section "That sometimes the only way through something is through it." Right? Sometimes you gotta get through the muck to get to the other side and that was very evident. We hit two or three stretches of this Hundreds of yards of mud as we're working our way uphill by the way Incredibly difficult, so as we kept climbing and climbing and climbing after 10 and a half hours we finally summitted After 5 fault summits, Ted was like the ultimate optimist He's just like "we're here" We're like "No we're not, shut up" It was clearly evident we're at the top in this photo so here we are we just crossed the French/Spanish border and now we're looking down into Spain, 400 and how many miles left? 80? 80 miles to go 13 and a half hours that day and we learned a valuable lesson That you can pretty much do anything... for a day! -Pretty true And unfortunate for us We learned this on day 2 so yeah, so Day 2 is supposed to be a pretty easy day from a uh a terrain standpoint, this wide trail, its hard packed there's not a lot of elevation gain, especially comparatively speaking to the Pyrenees We're having some rain coming down and we're out in this trail and I got to admit that I got a little cocky because we just did the Pyrenees, I was feeling pretty good about what we'd accomplished and the lesson here is, don't get cocky It never works out the way you want it to So we're trucking down the trail Ted's pushing Justin I'm right beside him and I turn to the guys We totally got this, we did the Pyrenees, this is going to be a piece of cake and then I trot down the trail to where the path goes around the bend and I hear the sound of aluminum just really tearing underneath Justin's chair The front wheel breaks off so what was a 3 wheel baby jogger on steriods is now a two wheel rickshaw, and we're two miles from the nearest town but some fellow pilgrims came around us, they saw that we needed to get someplace safe, they got us to the nearest town They gave us shelter, they gave us food and through their efforts, we wound up in Pamplona and we met this guy whose name is Ramon Now, chair's made of aluminum we got to find an aluminum welder and for those of you that know about welding thats not exactly just you know stock welding skill that a very particular skill set because aluminum has a low temperature threshold If the weld is too hot, the metal is compromised around the weld, if the weld is to cool the weld won't hold We have to find someone who knows what they're doing In a foreign country you have 200 and some odd 1000 people and Justin speaks broken Spanish. Awesome. But we wind up at a medical supply store where Ramon is visiting his girlfriend and he turns out to have interest in welding But he doesn't weld aluminum But he knows a friend who does so he calls his buddy his buddy comes down checks it out it's too complicated, but I know a guy another phone call so we played a game with 6 degrees of aluminum weld and a Pamplona and we find a guy finally on the outskirts of town take it to him, we drop it off and I'm working with one of the guys from our film crew who speaks some Spanish say hey can you ask this guy can he fix it, does he think he can fix it and his response was come back tomorrow at 10 and find out oh great, this is encouraging but we come back the next day and it's repaired 48 hours from the time the wheel broke, we were back on the trail headed west to Santiago Remarkable episode of provision from complete strangers now we're going to fast forward a few days cause going through everyday you'd want to shoot us So day 28, alright, we've gone through so much trail Ted is long since gone. Day 28 is a pretty critical day in this journey so if we rewind about 2 weeks we were in Burgos in the cathedral beautiful cathedral having a rest day, we're exhausted just trying to rejuvenate and Justin and I are just hanging out and cathedrals, those of you that've been there they're pretty quiet places we hear from the far side of the cathedral Hey! Aren't you Justin and Patrick? We're like, uhhh, yea? Two guys come walking over to us and start talking to us hey I'm Joe, this is my buddy Richard we're from Boise, Idaho that's like 10 miles from our homes are you kidding me? so they offer up any assistance we need we tell them you know what we've been thinking about skipping the pass through O Cebreiro so another mountain pass the last mountain pass, third mountain pass and we've been told by many people that it's impassible and we tell them we did the Pyrenees like no, no this is tougher this is steeper than the Pyrenees so we've been contemplating skipping this and Joe and Richard say hey you know what, let us help you get to the top so we had arranged on day 28 to meet them at the base of the mountains so they could help get us up that hill -So we greet them at this village and it's a very very tiny village this little, there's a cafe that was there and a little supermarket and we had already walked 11 miles that day so now we gotta walk 11 miles and climb a mountain so it's going to be a difficult day and a very difficult mountain to climb as well so it was going to be a hard one so we see Joe and Richard we get reaquainted with them, give hugs and high fives and all that stuff and we grab some quick provisions and rest for a bit cause now we gotta go climb a mountain and we get up to leave and the entire cafe gets up and I turn to Joe and Richard I'm like who are all these people? and they said well they're here to help you and we said okay, and they said yea we've been sitting here for the last couple hours and as people been walking by they saw us sitting here and they said what are you guys doing? They said we're going to get Justin and Patrick up O Cebreiro today They said we'll help so one by one people stopped and helped or said they'll stop and help by the time we arrived, 12 people were waiting for us and so we're going to show you some raw footage from our film that's coming out of that day so here we had just left the village and we're working our way up towards the trail, the trail splits we could either take a very very steep trail or a very very steep road and everyone turns around and looks at me and says Justin what do you want to do? and I said you know what? Life's never easy, let's take the trail Everyone's like ok, let's go so off we go and we come around the corner and it is straight uphill it was so steep that I had to be carried up this mountain it took 6 people to carry me at any given time so while people were carrying me the remaining people were carrying those people's backpacks so now you got this whole crazy human symphony as I describe it where I'm in the middle of this whole thing and 6 people are carrying me and somebody else would tap out and somebody else would come in and another pilgrim along the way would be on the trail and would be pitching in and I'm being pushed and pulled and completely manhandled my way up this mountain and by the time we get towards the top we were escorted by the police and they show up out of nowhere you know this mountain rescue team shows up and they're like c'mon we'll help you get to the top and so 17 people, 17, here we are at the top of that day man, everytime I get to tell that story it truly is a blesssing for me because I get to relive it and I learned a really really valuable lesson that day the disease I have greatly impacts my life and those around me and I've learned how to rely on help from many many people and as humans we have a difficult time accepting help don't we easy to give it, hard to receive it sometimes you feel like a burden or you're unjustified in receiving that help but going through this day truly cemented something in me and it's a lesson I'd like to share with you I found that when you deny someone the opportunity to help you you deny them the joy in life those people didn't do that for an award they didn't help me for money they didn't help me for notoriety they saw a need and they filled that need and they were happy to do it it was difficult but they were happy to pitch in and if I was stubborn and said nope I don't need any help today I would've been sitting at the base of that mountain but through their help I was able to climb a mountain that day how cool is that? -so as you can imagine, well some of you don't imagine it cause you've been there this kind of journey this close proximity with other people who are unplugged from the distractions of life you get to know people pretty well imagined if anyone of you and I spent 8 hours walking side by side with no distractions no cell phones just in conversation we're gonna learn more about each other than we might know about people we've known our entire lives and I mentioned earlier that there are people on the camena who were there because they were dealing with some grief some struggles one in particular person I want to share a little bit about her story she became a very good friend she helped us, actually she was there on the day of Osguera but we met her about I want to say a week and a half to 2 weeks into the journey and her name was Claudia Now Claudia's from South Africa and she's one of these individuals that we met and she offered help she said hey can I help you guys and something about Justin is that he's learned to accept help graciously time and time again It really is a gift so when she offers he says yea sure you can push me but tell me about yourself -And dont kill me -And don't kill you, that's true you did say that -she almost did chasing a butterfly -we digress but she did almost kill you anyway she opens about why she's on the Camino so we've rewind to new year's eve 2013 she's in South Africa with her mother her father her sister ready to celebrate new year's eve they're at parent's house they have a tradition every year they get together, they enjoy good food, good wine, celebrate the incoming year and they take a picture at midnight to commemorate that the new year's come and the old year's gone camera's set up timer's set to count down from ten and as it counts down from 10 all the way to 0 she's there with her familiy ready for a photo and as this the camera captures the photo masked gunmen come in her house and her father is murdered in front of her she holds him while he dies she is on the Camino trying to make sense of this grief she is facing she is filled with darkness and despair and pain unimaginable pain and she's trying to make sense of what do I do with this A few days later she's still with us helping and we're on a hill outside a town called Castor Harris it's not a steep hill but it's a long hill and it's gravelly and she's there out front pulling on the harness the entire climb up once we got to the top we gave hugs and she took off and we didn't see her until the end of the day we saw her very little for the next few days a few days after this climb we get an email from Claudia telling us that she wants to share with us her journal entry from that climb up Castor Harris and Justin's going to read to you that journal entry -Everyone doing ok? Alright Ready? asked Patrick. yes ready we all reply as we flex our muscles and prepare ourselves for the exertion and exhaustion that lies ahead of us I'm strapped into a harness at the front next to John who was a 60 year old recycling specialist slash US naval officer and regular at the burning man festival in Nevada. We look like a pair of oxen I say with a smile to him as he weezes and splutters next to me beeds of sweat sliding of his chin and onto the steep gravel path below us While John and I do pulling up in the front Patrick is pushing with a firm grip with a steel bar at the back he has calfs the size of spanspex which are cantaloupes after doing this for almost 2 weeks he is flanked by 2 Swiss girls who we met halfway at this hill they started their Camino in Burgos they've only been walking for 2 days and they're fresh unstable blisters are screaming at them with every step they take despite the shooting pain they continue to push onwards and upwards with the rest of us we're only halfway up the hill and all 5 of us know that giving up is not an option You guys are awesome! says Justin as he sits strapped tightly into his wheelchair as we slowly heave him up the hill Patrick and Justin are similar in their enthusiasm for life and their insatiable adventure Patrick does most of the pushing and I have actually started to think of him as an extension of Justin's body he wipes sweat from his brow rearranges his legs and holds his ice cold drink up to his mouth after a long day of trudging through the flat Spanish plains baking in the sun I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must've been for them to climb over the steep rocky Pyranese mountain range with mudslides and loose gravel when Justin told me about his condition I said I'm sorry to hear about that there's absolutely nothing to be sorry about he responded Back on the steep hill we're finally within 20 meters of the top the final push gasps Patrick while Justin sings a slightly out of tune rendition of That's What Friends Are For John the oldest in our group by a few good decades had tapped out and we had replaced him with a passing pilgrim called Matt who was now in a harness next to me ready to pull like an ox Patrick's sweat is cascading down his face and the 2 Swiss girls next to him look like they're equal parts exhausted and excited we've been fighting our way up this hill for almost and hour and a half ready? asked Patrick. Yes, ready we all reply and we're off, inching our way up a choir of heavy breathing as we get closer to the top Justin begins a countdown 10, 9, 8, no, I think to myself this can't be happening the last time I did a countdown it was followed by unimaginable cruelty 7, 6, 5, maybe I should ask them to stop 4, my calves are aching 3, I'd be happy if I never have to endure another countdown for the rest of my life 2, I don't know if I can do this but I'll do it for Justin 1, we get to the top and we're hugging each other, doing a victory dance, celebrating and kissing each other on the cheeks. And I am crying, because I didn't think believe that a countdown from 10 could ever be happy again. At the end of the day, we sip our ice-cold drinks in the small Spanish town, and the sun hangs low in the sky makes me realize there must be at least a million different shades of gold and that all of them are visible during a meseta at sunset. Justin looks at me and says, "Thanks for getting me up the hill today." I look back at him and say, "No, Justin, it was you who got me up that hill." Patrick: Pretty crazy story. Um... You know, she- she gave so much that day, and she gave out of a position of love. Uh, she loved us. Remarkable display of love that we didn't even know about as it was happening. And it's because of people like Claudia, the Claudias that we met, the Joe and Richards that we met, the Ted that came along with us, and countless other individuals, who loved in a remarkable way, that we actually made it to Santiago. Justin: Day 34. We made it. One day ahead of schedule. [laughter] As we're coming into Santiago, our wives were waiting for us in the square. We had not seen them in almost six weeks. And as we were coming into the square, I describe it as probably kinda what it's gonna be when we die and go to heaven. It's that everyone in the square were all pilgrims that we had met along the way and they were all waiting for us as we entered the square. And as we were working our way towards the middle, my wife Kerstan and Patrick's wife Donna were waiting for us, and everyone's greeting us in- I dunno who that guy is. [laughter] Justin: He's a total stalker; you'll see him in a second. [laughter] But what- it's a crazy experience to go through. It's very- we describe it as a bittersweet experience, because we got so used to the pilgrim's life, where you just get up and you walk every day, and you've spent time with individuals, but yet we wanted to be reunited with our amazing wives, who've loved us and supported us throughout this entire thing, and to be reunited with them was an amazing and unforgettable moment. Ah! There he is. [laughter] Told ya! [laughter] Justin: Stalker, I love it. [laughter] Justin: But we're giving hugs and kisses to everyone, and, uh... What a cool, cool thing! To be a part of this, and it's all because of all those relationships that we had. There's Richard, in the tan, and there's uh, Joe in the green. We're still friends with many of the pilgrims that we met along the way. And we still keep in touch with them, and we see them from time to time. And we're very, very grateful to be able to do this pilgrimage together. Because my best friend said, "yes." Patrick: So- [applause] Justin: Thank you. [applause] Patrick: Thank you. [applause] [applause] Justin: Love you, man. [applause] [applause] Patrick: You know, there's... there is remarkable power in human connection. God created us to live in community with one another, yet we shy away from that time and time again. It's as Justin said, it's hard to accept help. It's hard to offer help sometimes. But... The challenges we face, whether it's something we choose, like the Camino, or something that's thrust upon you, like an unexpected illness that leaves you in a wheelchair, we get through those the same way, and it's together. It's together every single time. We cannot do it alone. The world's a broken place, and the only way that we can fix it is through loving one another. And... it's a love that we can't pull from just ourselves. It's a love that goes far beyond an individual. It's a love we experience every time we enter into a relationship, because every day, we get to bring heaven or hell to earth by who we are. It's a destination but it's also an existence. And that existence is something we get to partner with if we choose to. And so, every day, let's make the conscious decision to choose love. Both: Thank you, guys. [applause] Patrick: Thank you. [applause] [applause] Justin: Alright! [applause] [applause] Karen: I'm Karen Saupe from the English Department, and we'll have time for just a few questions; I think there are instructions up there? Or will be shortly. I have some already coming in. Uh, the first is why did you choose this particular journey; it's a pilgrimage, not a vaca- obviously not a vacation, Justin: Not a vacation. Patrick: [laughs] Karen: Uh, why the Camino de Santiago? Justin: You know, I think, I've heard, I've heard many other pilgrims that have gone on the pilgrimage say that the, the Camino calls you. And I would probably say that's very true in my case. Just something inside of me said, I need to do this, and you- and you need to do it. It was not... I was looking for some sort of pilgrimage or do something along that line... It, in my case, I... it called on me so hard that I knew that I needed to do it, or at least I was gonna try. In my case. Patrick: Yeah. Justin: And I roped Patrick into it. Karen: Mmhmm. Patrick: And I was dumb enough to say yes. Karen: We have a question asking, how many people total, uh, helped you on your journey? Was that even countable? Justin: Oh, jeez. Patrick: Uh... Probably couple hundred. Patrick: Honestly. Justin: Yeah. Patrick: I mean, there are people that stepped into our lives for a moment, some for a day, some for several weeks. Um... yeah. I would say, easily two hundred people. I think we did a count, though. Uh... how many people from different countries? I think we did a grand total of twenty-seven countries. Patrick: Yeah. Justin: Somewhere around there. Twenty-seven. That's a lot. Karen: Speaking of different countries, we have a few questions from Lithuania, you didn't know they were watching. Justin: Wow, alright. Hello. Patrick: Alright. Karen: One is you mentioned that accepting help from the ones who are willing to give help gives you joy, and, uh, this person's question is then, how much trust can you build on those strangers? Justin: Uh... you can actually build pretty quickly. I- at least in my experience. Um... Uh... The first- the biggest barrier that I found is just saying yes to allow people in. Other than that, it's just letting it unfold how it needs to unfold. And I have lots of really funny and awkward stories of how it's unfolded before. Um... but, I've found that in my life, most- and the people that I've come across, and I don't want to speak for you, but, is that most people are inherently good. There's a, you know, there's a few bad apples in the world, we get that. Um, but most people are inherently good. And so, I just look at... I always focus on my "why," not "how" I do something. So, it's kinda like my mantra. I focus on why I wanna do something, the heart versus the mind. And within that, it almost lowers those barriers, and allows people to come into that. Easier. Thus building trust and relationships and love, and really, really cool things to... that will unfold. So. Karen: Yeah. And Patrick, you said that earlier this morning to students that we are... maybe we have different skills, we're called to different vocations, but we all have the same purpose? Patrick: Yes. Yeah, um... Aw, I didn't expect to hear that one again, uh... Karen: It was good! Patrick: Yeah, we uh... well again, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but, um, I think we're in line with this. That it's- it's easy for... for us to focus on purpose, um, and maybe confuse that with the direction we're supposed to take. Those aren't the same thing. Uh... like, my wife was born to be a teacher, that's her direction, that's the path that she's on. But within wherever we're at, whatever we do, our purpose, hands down, is to love. That's the- that's w... it's why we're created. And that's the core of everything that we should be doing, it should be love. And if we aren't doin' it from that position, we really don't have a purpose. Not one that's worthwhile, anyway. Karen: Another question from Lithuania: You two are the real example of true friendship, at the same time being very different people, how would you imagine your most perfect day together? [laughter] Patrick: Are we dating now? [laughter] Justin: We're dating. [laughter] [all laughing] Justin: Uh... Karen: That could include your wives and kids. Patrick: It would. Justin: You know what, a perfect day for us, in- in- is- We feel really blessed, is that, um... we have a, a like a life group that we're part of. Patrick: Mmhmm. Justin: And every Monday we meet. That's a perfect day. Patrick: Yeah. Justin: Um, these are people that we share life with and community with, um... that's just in our personal circles, and then we have our church community and those such things, so... for me, being in fellowship with our friends, and our family, is... that's- I always love those moments. Patrick: I'm gonna one-up ya. Justin: Uh-oh. Patrick: Same thing, same group of people, but here in about six weeks, we get to go with them to Mexico for a week. That's gonna be- it's like, six perfect days in a row. Justin: Yeah! Karen: Plus warm weather. Justin: Yes. That was a good one. Yeah. Karen: Uh, this is for Justin: How have you made sense of your physical situation and God? What does it mean to you now? Justin: How have I made sense of my physical situation? Um... I gave it away a long time ago. When... uh, I won't go into too much, but there was a point in my life where my legs went. It was where my legs truly went. I could not stand anymore. And it was a day where I came home after going to a friend's house, getting out of my car, and... I... between my car and my front door of my house was maybe 20 feet? And I fell... almost ten times. And I had to drag myself onto my porch, into my house, on the ground. And... it was in that moment where I gave it all away. And what I mean by that is I gave up... trying to... make sense of it all? Saying, why is it happening to me? Why this, why that. It's more of I, um, a fundamental shift happened for me, where it was... okay, God, you got me on this path, what does it mean? Show me the direction you need me to go. And... By making that decision, it requires a lot of patience, a lot of prayer, a lot of support from other people, and throughout that, it's almost... not it almost has, it has made me lean on my faith. Incredibly. I'm very, very blessed that my parents raised me the way that they did. And that I could lean on that. And that is what has gotten me though. A lot of it. And, as... I don't- I'm not angry, by any means. Um... days are frustrating. I'm not gonna lie to ya. It's not like every day is peachy keen, you know, it's awesome all the time. It's not. Uh, I have hard days just like everyone else in this room. That's just life. But it's trying to seek God's purpose in that. And guidence in that and direction in that. And... that's shaped me. For who I am today. Karen: A little lighter question: Who filmed you on your journey? Justin: There you go. Patrick: Filmed us? Uh... it's a film agency out of California, uh, known as emota, they, uh, are actually a commercial storytelling, uh, company, but uh... they just suckered in to join us on this journey. And so it was a small, four-man crew. One director and two videographers and a production assistant to carry gear. And so it was, uh... incredibly bare bones. Um, when it comes to filming. So yeah. Karen: And that's the material that will go into the film that's coming out? Patrick: That's correct. Both: Yep. Both: Yes. Karen: Film to be called I'll Push You. Patrick: I'll Push You. Justin: I'll Push You, coming out in June. This year. Karen: One more question from a student, you talked with students a bit this morning about your friendship, how do we encourage ourselves and our friends to go deeper and to be vulnerable to one another, especially in high school, when people so often try to seem self-sufficient and flawless? Both: Hmm. Justin: Good question. Patrick: Yeah. That's, uh... Patrick: That's a loaded question. Karen: I thought another easy one. Justin: Yeah. Patrick: It's a fair one, but it's loaded you know, um from vulnerability's perspective, I would say justice taught me a lot about this This is something that I've struggled with my whole life and its, its a, as Justin would say it's a muscle you have to flex it's something you have to practice But as we were discussing this morning, just the, the kind of concept of vulnerability is that it's a, well its difficult to to embrace because our culture is a self-sufficient culture at least that's the mindset, um I would argue that is it our greatest strength and we have to embrace that mindset that is, there is so much power within our vulnerability because we invite other in to our weaknesses suddenly, our weaknesses are no longer weaknesses because other's are carrying that burden for us I had the pleasure of pushing Justin through Spain and he pushed me in ways mentally and spritiually that I would never have, I would have never embraced these realms of self-discovery without his strengths pouring into my life and so, it's getting past the fear of it being a weakness and embracing that you know what, I am going to be able to do so much more if I invite other people into my story and the only way they can be apart of it is if they know all of me not part of me and its hard, but its true Karen: Justin and Patrick will be out front to greet you afterwards. Thank you for coming. Thank you both for being here Both: Thanks everybody *applause*
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