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Hello.
My name is Matt Kuyvenhoven.
I'm a junior, studying Marketing at Calvin College.
And I'd like to welcome you all to the 2017 January Series.
I'd also like to extend a special welcome to our guests
on our, or on three of our thirty, or three of our fifty remote
webcast locations in Denver, Colorado,
Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and Whitehall, Michigan.
Now if you would all please bow your heads and pray with me.
Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day,
we thank you for safe travels here today.
We thank you Lord for the daily opportunity
to challenge ourselves, grow and learn,
especially in this month of the January Series.
Lord, we acknowledge
your presence with us in the trials of our lives
and we pray that we can acknowledge them more often on a daily basis.
Be with us this day. Keep us healthy, keep us safe.
In your name we pray, Amen.
Now, Jordan Daley. He's a research associate
at Calvin Center for Social Research.
He's going to introduce our guest.
[applause]
Good afternoon.
As Matthew mentioned, I'm a recent grad of Calvin.
And while I was here, I took advantage of
an opportunity that would remind me how big
our world is, and that our God is even bigger.
I joined a group of Calvin students and faculty
as we followed the yellow conch shells
through the way of St. James El Camino de Santiago.
El Camino is a 500-mile pilgrimage through northern Spain
with its orgins in early Christianity.
Presently, people from around the world continue
to traverse El Camino for a variety of personal and spritual reasons.
I had expectations for my trip,
such as eating unique food, practicing my Spanish,
and getting to know other Calvin students.
I experienced so much more.
I found rest and renewal,
was reminded of what it truly means to be in a community,
and learned to embrace aspects of creation
that we often take for granted.
Ultimately, I learned not to put limits
on what God has in store for our journey.
Throughout my trip, I listened to stories of others
and got to see life from their perspective.
Today, we get to hear about life from yet another perspective.
Through an incredible story that not only enriched
the lives of those along the Camino,
but continues to enrich lives each day.
This is the story of Justin Skeesuck and Patrick Gray.
Justin lives with a neuromuscular disease
that progressively restricts the ability to use the arms and the legs.
Many people might consider this a fundamental opportunity
to place limits on God's plan for the future,
and be content with saying, “I can’t.”
These two gentlemen did just the opposite.
As they embarked on a 34-day journey
with a resolve to overcome
all manner of obstacles that they might face.
One in a wheelchair and one on foot,
Justin would trust Patrick to push him through the Camino.
By relying on faith, friendship, and fierce determination,
these best friends of over 40 years
took on a challenge that many would consider unimaginable.
And in doing so, they inspired communities across the world.
Justin and Patrick have both continued to move lives
through the production of their film and their upcoming book
both titled, “I’ll Push You,”
and their foundation, Push Inc. which emphasizes the importance
of community and relying on
one another to tackle life's many challenges.
We are very excited to have them here today.
Before we continue, we’d like to remind you that
Justin and Patrick will be available to greet the audience
in the west lobby of the Covenant Fine Arts Center
following the presentation.
Calvin College is grateful to GMB Architect and Engineers
and the Richard and Helen DeVos foundation
for underwriting today’s presentation.
Before they take the main stage, there will a brief video.
Without further ado, please join me
in welcoming to today’s January Series,
Justin Skeesuck and Patrick Gray.
[clapping]
[walking]
-It still amazes me how far we've come
(music playing in background)
-That's been something that's so rare. I haven't seen a friendship
like that before.
I don't know how much time he has
[music]
Mechanical malfunction
It's hard not to feel like a burden in this
- fabrication?
*groans*
slow, go slowly
ahh I'm cramping
-His body is feeling the effects of the last several days
(music playing)
-It sucks! Trying not to let Justin know that it sucks though.
(music playing)
-Man! I don't like who I am
(music playing)
Okay seriously dude it's time to walk
- *laughs* I'm just faking it guys
-I have no idea how far this goes -I don't either
Sometimes, it's best not to know
-It's really hard to let somebody do that for you
(music playing)
-Yo what's up bro? *laughter*
(music playing)
-I don't know how I'm gonna be able to do it
(music playing)
*****
(music playing)
These are waters that are too deep for me to handle on my own
(music playing)
It was pretty stupid. Honey, I love you if I die
I love you
-If I do have the time that I have here now, then let's enjoy it
(music playing)
How're you guys doing? *clapping*
-alright, How's everyone doing today?
(laughter)
Alright, we're gonna take you guys for a wild ride today.
How does that sound? You guys in for it?
You ready?
So uh, first off, thank you very much for having us
and Calvin and our underwriters
for graciously getting us here
We are very, very grateful for the opportunity, so thank you,
and for all of you guys
for taking time out of your day to hear us ramble on
for a little while.
We're gonna share some stories with you today
Just for clarification
I am Justin Skeesuck
and this is my BFF forever,
Patrick Gray.
And uh, we're grateful, so thank you.
Yes, thank you.
So we're gonna share some stories
And the stories we're gonna share today, there's a number of them
um, mostly relate to this journey you just saw a little bit of a,
a few video clips about
but, uh, these stories are stories
that have kind of shaped our perspective on life.
uh, a perspective that, permeates
kind of who we are
and, we hope will permeate the world around us.
They've influenced our mindset on
our relationship with one another
our mindset surrounding our families
and most notably reshaped our perspective
on God
And it's a gift and a blessing that we get
to share these stories
and so we are just thankful
that we get to be here
with you guys today
but before we dive into some
of those stories
Justin is going to give you
a little backstory on our history.
Real quick, can we get the monitor up front?
It's not showing up so I don't have to turn my head around please?
While they are working on that
I think I can go off of memory,
so we will see how this goes.
So Patrick and I,
like you learned a little bit about our intro,
we have known each other
for almost 42 years.
We were born in the same hospital,
just about 36 hours apart.
Our mothers knew each other
when they were growing up.
Our parents knew each other growing up,
or when they got to college.
And we've been very, very blessed to have
a very lifelong friendship
that we've just been exploring all together.
We grew up just like normal kids
Doing, kind of like, fun crazy stuff
And not being anything crazy
just getting in trouble now and then
But we did alright
You know when I was fifteen and a half
almost sixteen and a half
sixteen years old
My life changed
When I was
just before my sixteenth birthday
I was traveling from my hometown
to a nearby town to play in a basketball tournament
And a friend of mine was
driving his truck and ended up
rolling it on the freeway
going about 80 miles per hour
And believe it or not
I actually walked away from the accident
couple scrapes and bruises
nothing to really be
concerned about
Except for just going through this really crazy accident
But about six months later
I started noticing
weakness in my left foot
I was running down
othe soccer field
that following fall
and my foot was just flopping around
it wasn't working the way that it should
So I brought it to my parents' attention
and went to a podiatrist
and he said that he couldn't do anything
for me so he said I think you need
to go see a neurologist
And so I went to see a neurologist
and he was completely stumped
and thus my lifelong pursuit of
being in doctor's offices
I didn't know it at the time
being so young
I'm going to condense this long story
into a short story for the sake of time today
But several years later
I was finally diagnosed with
a progressive neuromuscular disease called
Are you guys ready?
I might quiz you later
It's called multifocal aquired motor axonopathy
Did you guys get that?
If you want to know
what it's like
It is almost identical to ALS
So those of you who know what that disease
is like, not a good one.
Eventually my life will be
cut short
With ALS, you typically have a
four to six year lifespan
sometimes shorter sometimes longer
But mine is an unknown diagnosis
it just progresses and eventually I
should, from what I've been told,
pass away due to complications
from the disease that I have
So, as you can imagine, it makes life quite challenging.
It started with my left foot, went up my left leg,
went to my right foot, jumped up my right leg, and stayed to my
waist and below for many years.
And throughout that time, I was able to use braces on my feet
to keep me upright, and then as my legs started getting weaker,
I started using a cane; one of which Patrick actually made for me.
Pat made a cane for me one time.
And a walker, then I ended up using a manual wheelchair full time,
and now I use a power wheelchair full-time.
For most of my twenties I was able to adapt and live life.
Despite the disease that I have, I ended up getting married
and I had three kids. I had children and life was okay.
I was able to keep managing and keep doing what I was doing.
But in the winter of 2010, my life changed yet again.
In about January of that year, right at the beginning of the New Year,
I started noticing weakness in my upper right shoulder, and within
about forty days or so, so by the beginning of March of that year,
I had lost about 60-70% of my upper body use.
It went very very quickly.
So, how do you eat? How do you go to the bathroom?
How do you get your clothes on?
How do you hold your children and your wife
and do stuff around the house?
Very very difficult time in my life.
Um as Pat will probably tell you, I'm kind of a half glass full
type of guy. I'm just kinda wired that way
But this is the first time of my life where I faced
complete blackness
and if any of you have ever been there, it is a horrible place to be
Horrible place
because you can't see your way out
and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking of
Um, to be honest with you, I started thinking about
Would it be easier if I took my own life, you know?
It's a burden that I put upon my family
And I'm basically becoming like a little kid again
I have to be, from the first time I get up in the morning
till the time I go to bed at night I have to be bathed and I have to
have my clothes put on, I have to be fed
And it's like why did I why did I put that on my wife
And you know, take care of me and I realized at that time after
leaning on friends and family and our Christian faith
I mean thank God I have uh a cornerstone in Christ
I mean I had never leaned so hard in my entire life on that
and slowly but surely, I could start seeing that you know what?
I have two choices I could make I could take the easy way out
Or I could try to do something with my life
and make the best of it. Would it be difficult? Yes!
without a doubt and so I decided that, you know what?
Life's too short, Im'a make the best of it and I'm gonna do what
what I can
-So the same time frame, 2010 February uh Justin calls me
At the time, he was living in San Diego, I'm up in Idaho
and he calls to tell me about this loss of function in upper body
and he he told you that he's a you know kind of a half glass full
kinda guy. That's kind of an understatement.
He's annoyingly positive all the time
*laughter* uh
um and it's man, his life is not always that good
but apparently it is
But I mean, we've lived life together in and out so I know him
like in so many ways and to be able to hear over the phone
a complete change in his countenance
his, I mean that's a weighty moment and I know he's facing something
dark but while he's figuring out his way to wrestle out of this darkness
I went down my own dark hole
and I became very very angry at God
I was bitter, I was furious, I've never yelled at Him so much in my life
How dare you take away his hands, how dare you take away his feet
How dare you take away his ability to hold his kids and his wife
Now, he hasn't told you is it up to this point his career as
a graphic designer, the implications of this change are huge
waist and below, he can navigate that, he can still do all the
many design projects, pay the bills but now, what used to take 40hours
takes 80 and the writing is on the wall, this is over
And I distanced myself from from the only place I needed to go
I distanced myself from God as far as I could
Fast forward 2 years, we're in 2012 Justin and his family are up in
Idaho visiting us and I'm still going to church but not happy
about it by any means, and after a church service, our families
are out in the foyer we're chatting with some people
and the gentleman who actually was our youth pastor as kids
takes Justin aside and they're having this conversation
and I'm kinda doing this you know, kinda listening like
what are you talking about?
totally, really evesdropping
-nobody is ever guilty of that -nobody least of all me
And this gentleman, his name is Ed He asks Justin a question
He said, If you knew right now that you could be made whole, made whole
you could walk again, you could use your hands, would you choose it?
It's like everybody knows the answer to that question
of course!
He said "No I would not"
No
And it was in that moment where there was a paradigm shift
shift in my thinking. okay for the past two years, I've been fighting
a battle that he wasn't fighting
In a weird way, I made it about me I had wanted to fight a battle
I wanted the healing, I wanted him to be made whole
And he was just wanting me to step in to be his hands and feet
Very different perspective. I missed out on a relationship for 2 years
It's amazing what can happen when God changes your perspective
Then you realize that wait a minute we, you and I so often
we are His provision for the world
I had a gift that he was asking me to receive
To be someone who helps him and finally I'm like oh I get it now
And sometimes when you get it, God is like okay now you're ready for
something new
So Spring of 2012, sitting in my living room
nondescript Saturday just minding my own business, I think my kids
are probably getting into some trouble somewhere
Um, sitting in the living room flipping through the channels
and on comes PBS with Rick Steves. Anybody know who Rick Steves is?
Yeah! and I love him, He's so dorky, I love him
-I want him to hear you say that some time
-Yeah, he might slap me if he ever heard me say that
But you know the episode that was on, I was like this
looks interesting was on Northern Spain um Pamplona
Running of the Bulls, that whole thing and this pilgrimage
across Northern Spain called the Camino de Santiago
hm. Interesting. So I watched this episode and I recorded it
And I brought my wife into the living room and I showed her part
of it and I said what do you think?
Do you think I could do this in my wheelchair?
And she said, if you wanna go do it, go do it
I was like okay
got wife's buy-in, that's the big one that's a big one
a couple weeks later, Patrick was now visiting me in San Diego
With his for spring break and came down with his family
and I recorded this episode and we had been talking about doing
a trip together as just the two of us
and we had can't quite hadn't quite landed on something yet
So I showed him this epidsode and I remember very clearly
In my living room, sitting to my right on a chair and I showed him
the whole thing and I said "What do you think?"
and his answer was very simple and direct.
and he just said, "I'll push you"
we both go, okay
not knowing what we were getting ourselves into
at this very very moment
that decision, no idea -no idea
So how many of the individuals in this room by show of hands
have walked some portion of the Camino
a fair number, okay
that's impressive. Alright, I'm gonna give you a quick little
history lesson for those of you who aren't familiar with it
The Camino de Santiago dates back to the 19th century
and it rests in the idea that the bones of St. James are buried
in the Cathedral in Santiago de Compostela in northwestern Spain
there's a myriad of routes that people take
One of the most popular ones, it was called the Frenchway
which, the area that we, the the route that we took
starts in St. Jean Pied de Port which is in the southwestern
corner of France and it's 500 miles from East to West
the route we took anyway, it was 500miles to Santiago
In the northwestern corner of Spain. Now, I'm not a real great
uh geography buff so you probably should look through the map and
realize that southwestern france is actually on the wrong side of
the Pyrenees mountain range um but live and learn
-slight oversight -yah
I've been known to make a few of those
And what it is is it's such a beautiful journey where you
unplug from so much of life and you meet people from all over
the world, all walks of life who are there for different reasons
they might be there for a spiritual reason, they might be there for uh
just a sheer challenge to see if they could do this
You meet a lot of people who are dealing with a lot of struggles
and grief and throughout this entire process you get to engage
in remarkable relationships day in and day out
-Day 1 we had to go over the Pyrenees in one day
had never been done before in its history
at least that's what we've been told
So um so along for the ride came our buddy Ted Hardy
who's a fire fighter EMT in um in uh kind of a he's known Pat
for a lot, quite some time and I got to know him when I moved
to Idaho and so he said "hey do you guys need help and we said
uh yeah we need help getting over the Pyrenees"
and he's like oh I'm in so it's the 3 of us and he can only come
for a few days so he's there right on day one so as we left St. Jean,
It is absolutely beautiful but it is straight uphill
Those of you in the room who have actually walked from St. Jean
will know that is straight uphill all day long
and it is as you keep climbing you can see how steep it is
Uh you can see the wheelchair that I took, I took a specialized
wheelchair, I describe it as a three-wheel baby jogger on steroids
that's basically what it is, It took five months to make
and it cost about $8,000 uh luckily a sponsor paid for that
and with me in it and gear and water, it was about 250 pounds
So it's quite heavy going up
and quite heavy going down there's Patrick about to throw up
-This is three miles into a 17mile day mind you
so this is the worst position you can be taking at mile three
Not a good start -No
-So we keep climbing inch by inch
keep working our way up and we come up to this
stone cross, like stone monument way up in the mountains
and we can tell we're getting higher and higher
and I look ahead and I turn to the guys and I'm like
"No way, that can't be the trail"
"It can't be"
And it is just rocks and boulders going over this section
and so I said "Okay well lets navigate get our way up there
as close as we can to where we are."
and there's no way to go like, I had to go be carried over
so go ahead and play the next
so Patrick, I brought a specialized sling um
a little sling where Pat and Ted would put me in it to carry me
for situations like this,
Actually we thought ahead on that one
and this section it took us an hour and a half to go about 100 yards
like 15 feet, 15 feet, 20 feet at a time Pat and Ted would
pick me up, set me down, pick me up, go up and scout
you know just working out way through this section inch by inch
and they laid me down on this grassy area, to go up and scout
And I'm just taking in the moment
just trying to get a sense of peace
in this chaotic thing that we're going through
and I hear footsteps come up behind me
And I'm thinking "Oh it's probably Pat or Ted"
And I open my eyes and there's a man standing over the top of me
slapping me in the face
[audience laughter]
The full French beret, the whole deal and I'm like
And he had the biggest grin on his face
and I'm like "Hi?"
And he I mean he was just so excited to see me
And it wasn't like a hard slap it wasn't like he was like
whack you know, -it was gentle
-It was like an affectionate Italian mother
you know to her child
-mostly affectionate
but yeah he was just saying how crazy we were to be there
its like, yes we are
we're a little crazy
-So this gentlemen is a bast former he was up in the area
and it turns out that he had been actually preparing a pilgrim's hut
so those of you who have gone through St. Jean you remember
that top Pyrenees there's a shell and stone hut,
so this guy for the past 12 years has repaired that hut
every single year so pilgrims have a place to stay
And he had never seen a crazy American in a wheelchair
coming over to the Pyrenees
So he slapped him in the face -he slapped me in the face
-but this exchange was remarkable
because after we had this conversation and we were
working through broken Spanish and broken English
to figure out who he is
he walks away back to what he was doing,
but before he gets back up to the top of the hill
he turns and shouts back at us with both fists raised up
in the air, and he says
"The impossible is possible, the impossible is possible"
and off he goes, never saw him again
but those words, oh my word, to have someone speak truth
and life into you in that way, I mean,
That's something that we will never, never forget, never forget
-so Pat and Ted put me back in my chair
thinking that we're through the worst of it
get back settled, come around the corner and we encounter this
Hundreds of yards of mud. Some sections as deep as a foot deep
And there was cliff on one you can see on the left right
there's a little bypass trail that pilgrims have taken
but it was just cliff on one side and mountain on the other
and there was no way but to go through it
and muscle our way through this thing and I learned
a quote thats very apropros to this section
"That sometimes the only way through something is through it."
Right?
Sometimes you gotta get through the muck to get to the other side
and that was very evident. We hit two or three stretches of this
Hundreds of yards of mud as we're working our way uphill by the way
Incredibly difficult, so as we kept climbing and climbing and climbing
after 10 and a half hours we finally summitted
After 5 fault summits, Ted was like the ultimate optimist
He's just like "we're here" We're like "No we're not, shut up"
It was clearly evident we're at the top in this photo
so here we are we just crossed the French/Spanish border
and now we're looking down into Spain, 400 and
how many miles left? 80? 80 miles to go
13 and a half hours that day
and we learned a valuable lesson
That you can pretty much do anything... for a day!
-Pretty true And unfortunate for us
We learned this on day 2
so yeah, so Day 2 is supposed to be a pretty easy day
from a uh a terrain standpoint, this wide trail, its hard packed
there's not a lot of elevation gain, especially comparatively
speaking to the Pyrenees
We're having some rain coming down and we're out in this trail
and I got to admit that I got a little cocky
because we just did the Pyrenees, I was feeling pretty good
about what we'd accomplished
and the lesson here is, don't get cocky
It never works out the way you want it to
So we're trucking down the trail Ted's pushing Justin
I'm right beside him and I turn to the guys
We totally got this, we did the Pyrenees,
this is going to be a piece of cake
and then I trot down the trail to where the path goes around the bend
and I hear the sound of aluminum just really tearing underneath
Justin's chair
The front wheel breaks off
so what was a 3 wheel baby jogger on steriods is now
a two wheel rickshaw, and we're two miles from the nearest town
but some fellow pilgrims came around us, they saw that we needed
to get someplace safe, they got us to the nearest town
They gave us shelter, they gave us food
and through their efforts, we wound up in Pamplona
and we met this guy whose name is Ramon
Now, chair's made of aluminum we got to find an aluminum welder
and for those of you that know about welding thats not exactly
just you know stock welding skill that a very particular skill set
because aluminum has a low temperature threshold
If the weld is too hot, the metal is compromised
around the weld, if the weld is to cool the weld won't hold
We have to find someone who knows what they're doing
In a foreign country you have 200 and some odd 1000 people
and Justin speaks broken Spanish. Awesome.
But we wind up at a medical supply store where Ramon is
visiting his girlfriend and he turns out to have interest in welding
But he doesn't weld aluminum
But he knows a friend who does
so he calls his buddy his buddy comes down checks it out
it's too complicated, but I know a guy
another phone call
so we played a game with 6 degrees of aluminum weld and a Pamplona
and we find a guy finally on the outskirts of town
take it to him, we drop it off and I'm working with one
of the guys from our film crew who speaks some Spanish
say hey can you ask this guy can he fix it, does he think he can fix it
and his response was come back tomorrow at 10 and find out
oh great, this is encouraging
but we come back the next day and it's repaired
48 hours from the time the wheel broke, we were back on the trail
headed west to Santiago
Remarkable episode of provision from complete strangers
now we're going to fast forward a few days cause
going through everyday you'd want to shoot us
So day 28, alright, we've gone through so much trail
Ted is long since gone. Day 28 is a pretty critical day in this journey
so if we rewind about 2 weeks we were in Burgos in the cathedral
beautiful cathedral having a rest day, we're exhausted
just trying to rejuvenate and Justin and I are just hanging out
and cathedrals, those of you that've been there
they're pretty quiet places
we hear from the far side of the cathedral
Hey! Aren't you Justin and Patrick?
We're like, uhhh, yea?
Two guys come walking over to us and start talking to us
hey I'm Joe, this is my buddy Richard we're from Boise, Idaho
that's like 10 miles from our homes
are you kidding me?
so they offer up any assistance we need
we tell them you know what we've been thinking about skipping
the pass through O Cebreiro so another mountain pass
the last mountain pass, third mountain pass
and we've been told by many people that it's impassible
and we tell them we did the Pyrenees
like no, no this is tougher this is steeper than the Pyrenees
so we've been contemplating skipping this and Joe and Richard say
hey you know what, let us help you get to the top
so we had arranged on day 28 to meet them at the base of the mountains
so they could help get us up that hill
-So we greet them at this village and it's a very very tiny village
this little, there's a cafe that was there
and a little supermarket and we had already
walked 11 miles that day so now we gotta walk 11 miles and
climb a mountain so it's going to be a difficult day
and a very difficult mountain to climb as well
so it was going to be a hard one
so we see Joe and Richard we get reaquainted with them, give hugs
and high fives and all that stuff and we grab some quick provisions
and rest for a bit cause now we gotta go climb a mountain
and we get up to leave and the entire cafe gets up
and I turn to Joe and Richard I'm like who are all these people?
and they said well they're here to help you and we said okay,
and they said yea we've been sitting here for the last couple hours
and as people been walking by they saw us sitting here and they said
what are you guys doing?
They said we're going to get Justin and Patrick up O Cebreiro today
They said we'll help so one by one people stopped and helped
or said they'll stop and help
by the time we arrived, 12 people were waiting for us
and so we're going to show you some raw footage from our film
that's coming out of that day so here we had just left the village
and we're working our way up towards the trail, the trail splits
we could either take a very very steep trail or
a very very steep road
and everyone turns around and looks at me and says
Justin what do you want to do?
and I said you know what? Life's never easy, let's take the trail
Everyone's like ok, let's go
so off we go and we come around the corner and it is straight uphill
it was so steep that I had to be carried up this mountain
it took 6 people to carry me at any given time
so while people were carrying me the remaining people
were carrying those people's backpacks
so now you got this whole crazy human symphony as I describe it
where I'm in the middle of this whole thing and 6 people are
carrying me and somebody else would tap out and somebody else
would come in and another pilgrim along the way would be on the trail
and would be pitching in and I'm being pushed and pulled
and completely manhandled my way up this mountain
and by the time we get towards the top we were escorted
by the police and they show up out of nowhere
you know this mountain rescue team shows up and they're like
c'mon we'll help you get to the top
and so 17 people, 17, here we are at the top of that day
man, everytime I get to tell that story it truly is a blesssing for me
because I get to relive it
and I learned a really really valuable lesson that day
the disease I have greatly impacts my life
and those around me
and I've learned how to rely on help
from many many people
and as humans we have a difficult time accepting help don't we
easy to give it, hard to receive it
sometimes you feel like a burden
or you're unjustified in receiving that help
but going through this day truly cemented something in me
and it's a lesson I'd like to share with you
I found that when you deny someone the opportunity to help you
you deny them the joy in life
those people didn't do that for an award
they didn't help me for money they didn't help me for notoriety
they saw a need and they filled that need
and they were happy to do it
it was difficult but they were happy to pitch in
and if I was stubborn and said nope I don't need any help today
I would've been sitting at the base of that mountain
but through their help I was able to climb a mountain that day
how cool is that?
-so as you can imagine, well some of you don't imagine it
cause you've been there
this kind of journey this close proximity with other people
who are unplugged from the distractions of life
you get to know people pretty well
imagined if anyone of you and I spent 8 hours walking
side by side with no distractions no cell phones just in conversation
we're gonna learn more about each other than we might know
about people we've known our entire lives
and I mentioned earlier that there are people on the camena
who were there because they were dealing with some grief
some struggles one in particular person I want to share a little bit
about her story she became a very good friend
she helped us, actually she was there on the day of Osguera
but we met her about I want to say a week and a half to 2 weeks
into the journey
and her name was Claudia
Now Claudia's from South Africa and she's one of these individuals
that we met and she offered help she said hey can I help you guys
and something about Justin is that he's learned to accept help
graciously time and time again
It really is a gift
so when she offers he says yea sure you can push me
but tell me about yourself
-And dont kill me
-And don't kill you, that's true you did say that
-she almost did chasing a butterfly
-we digress but she did almost kill you
anyway she opens about why she's on the Camino
so we've rewind to new year's eve 2013 she's in South Africa
with her mother her father her sister
ready to celebrate new year's eve
they're at parent's house they have a tradition every year
they get together, they enjoy good food, good wine,
celebrate the incoming year
and they take a picture at midnight to commemorate
that the new year's come and the old year's gone
camera's set up timer's set to count down from ten
and as it counts down from 10 all the way to 0
she's there with her familiy ready for a photo
and as this the camera captures the photo
masked gunmen come in her house
and her father is murdered in front of her
she holds him while he dies
she is on the Camino trying to make sense of this grief she is facing
she is filled with darkness and despair and pain
unimaginable pain
and she's trying to make sense of what do I do with this
A few days later she's still with us helping
and we're on a hill outside a town called Castor Harris
it's not a steep hill but it's a long hill and it's gravelly
and she's there out front pulling on the harness the entire climb up
once we got to the top we gave hugs and she took off
and we didn't see her until the end of the day
we saw her very little for the next few days
a few days after this climb we get an email from Claudia
telling us that she wants to share with us her journal entry
from that climb up Castor Harris
and Justin's going to read to you that journal entry
-Everyone doing ok? Alright
Ready? asked Patrick. yes ready we all reply as we flex our muscles
and prepare ourselves for the exertion and exhaustion
that lies ahead of us
I'm strapped into a harness at the front next to John
who was a 60 year old recycling specialist
slash US naval officer and regular at the burning man festival
in Nevada.
We look like a pair of oxen I say with a smile to him as
he weezes and splutters next to me
beeds of sweat sliding of his chin and onto the steep gravel path below us
While John and I do pulling up in the front Patrick is pushing
with a firm grip with a steel bar at the back
he has calfs the size of spanspex which are cantaloupes
after doing this for almost 2 weeks
he is flanked by 2 Swiss girls who we met halfway at this hill
they started their Camino in Burgos
they've only been walking for 2 days and they're fresh unstable blisters
are screaming at them with every step they take
despite the shooting pain they continue to push onwards
and upwards with the rest of us
we're only halfway up the hill and all 5 of us know that
giving up is not an option
You guys are awesome! says Justin as he sits strapped tightly
into his wheelchair as we slowly heave him up the hill
Patrick and Justin are similar in their enthusiasm for life
and their insatiable adventure
Patrick does most of the pushing and I have actually started to
think of him as an extension of Justin's body
he wipes sweat from his brow rearranges his legs
and holds his ice cold drink up to his mouth after a long day
of trudging through the flat Spanish plains baking in the sun
I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must've been for them
to climb over the steep rocky Pyranese mountain range
with mudslides and loose gravel
when Justin told me about his condition I said I'm sorry to
hear about that
there's absolutely nothing to be sorry about he responded
Back on the steep hill we're finally within 20 meters of the top
the final push gasps Patrick while Justin sings a slightly out of tune
rendition of That's What Friends Are For
John the oldest in our group by a few good decades
had tapped out and we had replaced him with a passing pilgrim
called Matt who was now in a harness next to me
ready to pull like an ox
Patrick's sweat is cascading down his face and the 2 Swiss girls
next to him look like they're equal parts exhausted and excited
we've been fighting our way up this hill for almost and hour and a half
ready? asked Patrick. Yes, ready we all reply
and we're off, inching our way up a choir of heavy breathing
as we get closer to the top Justin begins a countdown
10, 9, 8, no, I think to myself this can't be happening
the last time I did a countdown it was followed by unimaginable cruelty
7, 6, 5, maybe I should ask them to stop
4, my calves are aching
3, I'd be happy if I never have to endure another countdown
for the rest of my life
2, I don't know if I can do this but I'll do it for Justin
1, we get to the top and we're hugging each other,
doing a victory dance, celebrating and kissing each other
on the cheeks.
And I am crying, because I didn't think believe that a countdown
from 10 could ever be happy again.
At the end of the day, we sip our ice-cold drinks
in the small Spanish town, and the sun hangs low
in the sky makes me realize there must be at least a million
different shades of gold and that all of them are visible during
a meseta at sunset.
Justin looks at me and says,
"Thanks for getting me up the hill today."
I look back at him and say,
"No, Justin, it was you who got me up that hill."
Patrick: Pretty crazy story.
Um...
You know, she- she gave so much that day,
and she gave out of a position of love.
Uh, she loved us.
Remarkable display of love that we didn't even know about
as it was happening.
And it's because of people like Claudia, the Claudias that we met,
the Joe and Richards that we met, the Ted that came along with us,
and countless other individuals,
who loved in a remarkable way, that we actually made it to Santiago.
Justin: Day 34.
We made it.
One day ahead of schedule.
[laughter]
As we're coming into Santiago,
our wives were waiting for us in the square.
We had not seen them in almost six weeks.
And as we were coming into the square,
I describe it as probably kinda what it's gonna be
when we die and go to heaven.
It's that everyone in the square were all pilgrims
that we had met along the way and they were all waiting for us
as we entered the square.
And as we were working our way towards the middle,
my wife Kerstan and Patrick's wife Donna were waiting for us,
and everyone's greeting us in-
I dunno who that guy is.
[laughter]
Justin: He's a total stalker; you'll see him in a second.
[laughter]
But what- it's a crazy experience to go through.
It's very- we describe it as a bittersweet experience,
because we got so used to the pilgrim's life,
where you just get up and you walk every day,
and you've spent time with individuals, but yet we wanted
to be reunited with our amazing wives,
who've loved us and supported us throughout this entire thing,
and to be reunited with them was an amazing and unforgettable moment.
Ah! There he is.
[laughter]
Told ya!
[laughter]
Justin: Stalker, I love it.
[laughter]
Justin: But we're giving hugs and kisses to everyone, and, uh...
What a cool, cool thing!
To be a part of this, and it's all because of all those relationships
that we had.
There's Richard, in the tan, and there's uh, Joe in the green.
We're still friends with many of the pilgrims that we met
along the way.
And we still keep in touch with them,
and we see them from time to time.
And we're very, very grateful
to be able to do this pilgrimage together.
Because my best friend said, "yes."
Patrick: So-
[applause] Justin: Thank you.
[applause]
Patrick: Thank you. [applause]
[applause]
Justin: Love you, man. [applause]
[applause]
Patrick: You know,
there's... there is remarkable power in human connection.
God created us to live in community with one another,
yet we shy away from that time and time again.
It's as Justin said, it's hard to accept help.
It's hard to offer help sometimes.
But...
The challenges we face, whether it's something we choose,
like the Camino, or something that's thrust upon you,
like an unexpected illness that leaves you in a wheelchair,
we get through those the same way,
and it's together.
It's together every single time. We cannot do it alone.
The world's a broken place,
and the only way that we can fix it
is through loving one another.
And...
it's a love that we can't pull from just ourselves.
It's a love that goes far beyond an individual.
It's a love we experience every time we enter into a relationship,
because every day, we get to bring heaven or hell to earth
by who we are.
It's a destination but it's also an existence.
And that existence is something we get to partner with if we choose to.
And so, every day, let's make the conscious decision
to choose love.
Both: Thank you, guys.
[applause]
Patrick: Thank you. [applause]
[applause]
Justin: Alright! [applause]
[applause]
Karen: I'm Karen Saupe from the English Department,
and we'll have time for just a few questions;
I think there are instructions up there?
Or will be shortly.
I have some already coming in.
Uh, the first is why did you choose this particular journey;
it's a pilgrimage, not a vaca- obviously not a vacation,
Justin: Not a vacation. Patrick: [laughs]
Karen: Uh, why the Camino de Santiago?
Justin: You know, I think, I've heard, I've heard many other
pilgrims that have gone on the pilgrimage say that the,
the Camino calls you.
And I would probably say that's very true in my case.
Just something inside of me said,
I need to do this, and you- and you need to do it.
It was not... I was looking for some sort of pilgrimage
or do something along that line...
It, in my case, I... it called on me so hard
that I knew that I needed to do it,
or at least I was gonna try.
In my case.
Patrick: Yeah.
Justin: And I roped Patrick into it.
Karen: Mmhmm.
Patrick: And I was dumb enough to say yes.
Karen: We have a question asking, how many people total, uh,
helped you on your journey? Was that even countable?
Justin: Oh, jeez.
Patrick: Uh... Probably couple hundred.
Patrick: Honestly. Justin: Yeah.
Patrick: I mean, there are people that stepped into our lives
for a moment, some for a day, some for several weeks.
Um... yeah. I would say, easily two hundred people.
I think we did a count, though.
Uh... how many people from different countries?
I think we did a grand total of twenty-seven countries.
Patrick: Yeah.
Justin: Somewhere around there. Twenty-seven. That's a lot.
Karen: Speaking of different countries, we have a few questions
from Lithuania, you didn't know they were watching.
Justin: Wow, alright. Hello. Patrick: Alright.
Karen: One is you mentioned that accepting help from the ones
who are willing to give help gives you joy,
and, uh, this person's question is then, how much trust
can you build on those strangers?
Justin: Uh... you can actually build pretty quickly.
I- at least in my experience.
Um...
Uh... The first- the biggest barrier that I found
is just saying yes to allow people in.
Other than that, it's just letting it unfold how it needs to unfold.
And I have lots of really funny and awkward stories
of how it's unfolded before.
Um... but, I've found that in my life, most-
and the people that I've come across,
and I don't want to speak for you,
but, is that most people are inherently good.
There's a, you know, there's a few bad apples in the world,
we get that.
Um, but most people are inherently good.
And so, I just look at... I always focus on my "why,"
not "how" I do something.
So, it's kinda like my mantra.
I focus on why I wanna do something,
the heart versus the mind.
And within that, it almost lowers those barriers,
and allows people to come into that.
Easier.
Thus building trust and relationships and love,
and really, really cool things to... that will unfold. So.
Karen: Yeah. And Patrick, you said that earlier this morning to students
that we are... maybe we have different skills, we're called to
different vocations, but we all have the same purpose?
Patrick: Yes. Yeah, um...
Aw, I didn't expect to hear that one again, uh...
Karen: It was good!
Patrick: Yeah, we uh...
well again, I don't wanna put words in your mouth,
but, um, I think we're in line with this.
That it's- it's easy for... for us to focus on purpose,
um, and maybe confuse that with the direction we're supposed to take.
Those aren't the same thing.
Uh... like, my wife was born to be a teacher,
that's her direction, that's the path that she's on.
But within wherever we're at, whatever we do,
our purpose, hands down, is to love.
That's the- that's w... it's why we're created.
And that's the core of everything that we should be doing,
it should be love.
And if we aren't doin' it from that position,
we really don't have a purpose.
Not one that's worthwhile, anyway.
Karen: Another question from Lithuania:
You two are the real example of true friendship,
at the same time being very different people,
how would you imagine your most perfect day together?
[laughter]
Patrick: Are we dating now? [laughter]
Justin: We're dating. [laughter]
[all laughing]
Justin: Uh...
Karen: That could include your wives and kids.
Patrick: It would.
Justin: You know what, a perfect day for us, in- in- is-
We feel really blessed, is that, um... we have a, a like
a life group that we're part of. Patrick: Mmhmm.
Justin: And every Monday we meet.
That's a perfect day.
Patrick: Yeah.
Justin: Um, these are people that we share life with and community with,
um... that's just in our personal circles, and then we have
our church community and those such things,
so... for me, being in fellowship with our friends, and our family,
is... that's- I always love those moments.
Patrick: I'm gonna one-up ya.
Justin: Uh-oh.
Patrick: Same thing, same group of people, but here in about six weeks,
we get to go with them to Mexico for a week. That's gonna be-
it's like, six perfect days in a row.
Justin: Yeah!
Karen: Plus warm weather. Justin: Yes.
That was a good one. Yeah.
Karen: Uh, this is for Justin:
How have you made sense of your physical situation and God?
What does it mean to you now?
Justin: How have I made sense of my physical situation?
Um... I gave it away a long time ago.
When... uh, I won't go into too much,
but there was a point in my life where my legs went.
It was where my legs truly went. I could not stand anymore.
And it was a day where I came home after going to a friend's house,
getting out of my car,
and... I... between my car and my front door of my house
was maybe 20 feet?
And I fell...
almost ten times.
And I had to drag myself onto my porch,
into my house,
on the ground.
And...
it was in that moment where I gave it all away.
And what I mean by that is I gave up...
trying to...
make sense of it all?
Saying, why is it happening to me?
Why this, why that.
It's more of I, um, a fundamental shift happened for me,
where it was...
okay, God, you got me on this path,
what does it mean?
Show me the direction you need me to go.
And...
By making that decision, it requires a lot of patience,
a lot of prayer,
a lot of support from other people,
and throughout that, it's almost... not it almost has, it has
made me lean on my faith.
Incredibly.
I'm very, very blessed that my parents raised me the way that they did.
And that I could lean on that.
And that is what has gotten me though.
A lot of it.
And, as... I don't- I'm not angry,
by any means.
Um... days are frustrating. I'm not gonna lie to ya.
It's not like every day is peachy keen, you know,
it's awesome all the time. It's not.
Uh, I have hard days just like everyone else in this room.
That's just life.
But it's trying to seek God's purpose in that.
And guidence in that and direction in that.
And... that's shaped me.
For who I am today.
Karen: A little lighter question: Who filmed you on your journey?
Justin: There you go.
Patrick: Filmed us?
Uh... it's a film agency out of California,
uh, known as emota,
they, uh, are actually a commercial storytelling, uh, company,
but uh... they just suckered in to join us on this journey.
And so it was a small, four-man crew.
One director and two videographers and a production assistant
to carry gear.
And so it was, uh...
incredibly bare bones.
Um, when it comes to filming.
So yeah.
Karen: And that's the material that will go into the film that's coming out?
Patrick: That's correct. Both: Yep.
Both: Yes.
Karen: Film to be called I'll Push You.
Patrick: I'll Push You.
Justin: I'll Push You, coming out in June.
This year.
Karen: One more question from a student,
you talked with students a bit this morning about your friendship,
how do we encourage ourselves and our friends to go deeper
and to be vulnerable to one another,
especially in high school, when people so often try to seem
self-sufficient and flawless?
Both: Hmm.
Justin: Good question.
Patrick: Yeah. That's, uh...
Patrick: That's a loaded question.
Karen: I thought another easy one.
Justin: Yeah. Patrick: It's a fair one,
but it's loaded
you know, um from vulnerability's perspective, I would say
justice taught me a lot about this
This is something that I've struggled with my whole life
and its, its a, as Justin would say it's a muscle you have to flex
it's something you have to practice
But as we were discussing this morning, just the, the kind of
concept of vulnerability is that it's a, well its difficult to
to embrace because our culture is a self-sufficient culture
at least that's the mindset, um I would argue that is it our
greatest strength and we have to embrace that mindset
that is, there is so much power within our vulnerability
because we invite other in to our weaknesses
suddenly, our weaknesses are no longer weaknesses
because other's are carrying that burden for us
I had the pleasure of pushing Justin through Spain
and he pushed me in ways mentally and spritiually
that I would never have, I would have never embraced these realms
of self-discovery without his strengths pouring into my life
and so, it's getting past the fear of it being a weakness
and embracing that you know what, I am going to be able to do
so much more if I invite other people into my story
and the only way they can be apart of it is if they know all of me
not part of me
and its hard, but its true
Karen: Justin and Patrick will be out front to greet you
afterwards. Thank you for coming.
Thank you both for being here Both: Thanks everybody
*applause*