Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles (heavy metal music) - We are back. Welcome back to another action-packed edition of CPA Reviewed, the official podcast of another71.com. As always, I'm your humble host, Jeff Elliott, a licensed CPA in the state of Kansas, much to the chagrin of many. Happy Monday to you. Today is Monday, January 11th, 2016. Our first podcast of the year. (giggles) I looked in our last podcast, it was like October 15th (laughs) so, this must be a quarterly thing we've got going on. So we have two things going on right now. We have the audio version, so if you're listening to the podcast, you have no indication that I have not shaved since no shave in November. (laughs) So, well I did a little bit but, I was starting to look homeless and getting questions about being in my building, but... Anyway, so yeah, I got the no shave in November still going on strong, so, my mom hates it, my wife loves it. So you know who wins that battle. On today's show, we're going to cover some CPA exam news. The 2016 CPA exam changes from a 30 thousand foot view and also jump into your questions. So first, the news. Okay, the AICPA released the 2015 CPA exam pass rates and like they do every quarter, some interesting things about that is that well, they released the pass rates but then the NINJAs went back and looked at the pass rates since 2006. And some interesting things, BEC has increased 12 percentage points since 2006 so right now BEC's pass rate is around a what, a 55 or 56? Is that right? Back in the day it was like a 43? (chuckles) It's got to be true if... It was one of my bullet points. I probably should have looked at that more closely before hitting the record button, but anyway BEC has jumped up 12 percentage points. Yeah, it's like at a 56 right now, so it used to be 44, 45, somewhere in there. That's interesting. Auditing is... Auditing is kind of strange because if someone told me that they scored a 99 on the exam, on any particular exam, I would say, okay it was auditing. And most of the time that's true. Like I rarely see a 99 for regulation. Maybe one for BEC, maybe for FAR, but I'm not surprised when I see someone score a 99 on auditing anymore. And usually if you see someone gunning for the Elijah Watts Sells Award, they have like a 99 on auditing and a 93 on BEC. But usually it's auditing score that anchors that Elijah Watts Sells Award. But oddly enough, possibly ironically, auditing is also also has the lowest pass rates, typically. And but this time, auditing is actually up a little bit, and Q4 and it's right in there with FAR. So auditing scores came up. And the AICPA also released the score release timeline for Q1 and it's basically the same timeline as last year, just slap a 2016 on it and adjust for the weekend dates and what not. But you can get the links to the AICPA 2015 pass rates as well as the 2006 through 2015 pass rate comparison below this video. If you're watching this on YouTube, just click the link in the description, if you're watching this one another71, it's right below the video, and if you are listening to a podcast you have nothing to click. You can go to my site and see it. Okay, and one other thing about the score release and there's no indication that this will change, but the scores have been coming out at 1:00 a.m. eastern. Why they do that, I really don't know. I think the original intent was that they thought people would just forget about it and go to sleep and then wake up and their scores would be there. But clearly they don't read another71 enough because people, it doesn't matter if you tell them it's coming out at 3:00 a.m. People will be on the site hitting Refresh at 3:00 a.m. So you might as well make it 7:00 p.m., 10:00 p.m. Whatever, the server load is going to be consistent regardless, so let's just let the poor people sleep or get some rest. 2016 CPA exam changes. I'm going to go through this pretty quickly, pretty high lever overview. Basically for BEC there were not any substantial changes, anything that you need to worry about. BEC is good to go. Auditing. The big changes happened in July of 2015 with SSARS 21. So if you have July 2015 updates for your auditing course, you're good to go. Regulation, the big changes for regulation happen mid-year. So 2015 tax law has been tested from July 1st 2015 through June 30th 2016. June is obviously a dead month, so it's through May 31st 2016. Hope I said that right. June 30th 2016. So basically the 2016 tax law will begin to be tested July 1st of 2016. So, long story short, if your regulation materials are updated, as of July 2015, you're good to go. FAR. FAR was kind of a bear this time around. And as someone who has to do all the exam changes themselves, it was quite an ordeal. I'm glad I started in November so that I got it out before Christmas. But the reason why FAR was kind of a bear this time around was because one of the things in the past we did was they did away with the extraordinary items classification. So they actually did that a while back but it's just now CPA exam testable, and so now any unusual or infrequent items, they either go on the income statement above income from continuing ops or they go in the footnotes. So you have two ways you can do it there. One other little note is that they are no longer shown net of tax. And so when you pull out extraordinary items, Like any, I mean, just think of all the multiple choice questions they had, extraordinary items in them. Any, like all of the example financial statements, they all had to be redone. (mimicking somber violin) But... So anyway, but it's all done now. And it was done before Christmas. And also, bond issuance cost. So before you would... The bond issuance cost would go on the balance sheet. And that is no longer the case. Bond issuance costs reduce the bond carrying value. So that is a change going concern. So if management decides that there's substantial doubt that the entity will continue as a going concern within 12 months of the financial statement issuance date, they have to issue some disclosures. So option A is yeah, there's a problem but we have a plan and we think it's going to work. Here is the problem, here's our plan, and here's why we think it's going to work, here's our disclosures. Or, yeah, there's a problem, we have a plan, we don't think it's going to work here's why it's not going to work here's the problem, and here's our disclosures. So those are now the two options. If there is substantial doubt about any entity's ability to continue as a going concern. What else? Oh, governmental accounting. Governmental accounting had some some stuff added to it. Fair value measurements for investments and liabilities, so there's some stuff in there. Also the way that you measure donated items are in there. There's also now a gap hierarchy for state and local governments. And basically there's two types, authoritative and non-authoritative. Kind of like regular regular accounting. So, you need to know that. If your materials for BEC, auditing, and regulation are updated as of July 2015 you should be good to go. Now, if your if you have FAR materials, you need to have the 2016 version, either of your materials, or if you want some amazing materials that don't cost the price of a really nice cruise, then you can get some NINJA materials. There's free downloads on the site. Some free demos as well. All right. End of that marketing message. But many more marketing messages to come. I promise. Let's jump into your questions. Okay, so backing up, I'm from Kansas. I live out in the country and I'm not very cultured. And so if you have a foreign sounding name, chances are, more likely than not, that I'm going to butcher it. So I apologize in advance, which is actually one of my pet peeves. People who either apologize in advance or thank someone in advance. But anyway... Like when someone says, "Hey, I need, give me some advice, TIA, thanks in advance." It's like one of my little pet peeves. But I apologize in advance. Rashit says, "I intend to appear for FAR, reg, and auditing in the third quarter of 2016. If I buy the NINJA books now, would they include all of the relevant updates and amendments?" The short answer is no, because there will be some July updates, especially for regulation, but the good news is that NINJA materials come with free updates until you pass. So you can buy it now or buy it later if you're not going to study until third quarter, you might as well wait. Stella writes in, "I have only one exam left, which is auditing. I bought your multiple choice questions to practice. My earliest credit that I will lose is FAR and I will lose it February 24th 2016. I plan to take my last exam on or before February 14th. Would that be risky? Please advise." No, it won't be risky. And the reason why she's asking about February 14th is because that's the cutoff for the scores, for like the first or second score release. But that's kind of irrelevant for you because you just have to take the exam before your expiration and doesn't matter when you get your score. So you can take your exam up up through I'd say February 20th because you only gave yourself some leeway in case you get the flu or something. Ezra writes in, "I know the hours at the Big Four are crazy this time of year, therefore I'm nervous that I'm not going to be able to take my exams once I begin. Do you have any advice on how I can manage to take this exam before the end of this testing window? Also, I studied about 50% of the material already throughout my semester," he's a student, "so it's not like I'm starting from scratch." I don't really want to miss another window. I promised myself I would take these exams as soon as I finished school. Any advice is greatly appreciated." Okay, so how do you get it done this testing window... Well, okay, backing up, you're 50% of the way through your material already. Throughout the semester? I'm not sure that's relevant because if you studied and then took a break, I would just start over because there is a significant short-term memory component to studying for the CPA exam. So if you studied two months we'd go... It's why I tell people, hey I scored a 74 on regulation. What should I cram in order to take my exam and pass? And I tell them not to because on the day that you took your exam, you're at a 74 and now you're not. If you rolled in there and took an exam today, you'd probably score a 68. So you really need to start over. And don't cut any corners. So I would tell you the same thing. Start over. And so You already have one section passed, so how do you get it out of the way this testing window? Well you can take an exam like late January, early February, and then take another one late February, it's going to be it's going to be pretty tight, but you're a student and you're used to doing crazy things like studying all the time. So, you can do it. I'm assuming that you're not working full-time right now. It's not going to be fun. And you're going to have to give up some social activities, but it's either give them up now or give them up later when you're working full-time. And then take take your next one early April, so that might... Here's the bottom line. People in Big Four take the CPA exam all the time while they're working and during busy season. And so it's not the end of the world. And if it happens, you're normal. So, you'll be okay. But it is doable. You might have to take an exam late or early April, but I would try to knock two more out and I would start over on whatever section it was that you were 50% of the way through. Meg writes in, "I hope you had a great holiday." I did Meg, thank you. When you have seven kids and multiple family get-togethers, (chuckles) You're ready for January 2nd, I'll tell you that. No, it was good. It's sort of sad when you throw your Christmas tree out, though. "I had a quick question," Because my wife insists on getting a real one, for whatever reason. "I was wondering which materials, whether the NINJA notes or the NINJA homework questions, would be more beneficial for me studying? I'm currently using Becker right now and I have almost completely completely finished all of the homework questions. I just passed audit and have previously taken BEC and got a 60 then a 70. I feel a little weaker in chapter two. Is there anything in particular that would help me in the variance analysis section in the IT fundamentals appendix area with all the definitions?" The NINJA Notes are great for a for like a review, like a cram. If you really want to dig into the material you would probably want to get NINJA book, and NINJA MTQ. And if you could only buy one one material or one product, it would be NINJA MCQ. And just hammer those practice questions and so covering variance analysis and IT. I think NINJA Notes is pretty good about covering just about what you need to know for IT, because IT is not conceptual. IT is just a bunch of stuff that's oddly enough, a lot of it is antiquated terminology but you have to know it anyway because you have to pass the exam and then forget it. So, NINJA Notes, I think, does a really good job I'm biased, obviously, of cramming a bunch of that stuff in your head so you can barf it out on exam day and then forget it. And so I would get NINJA MCQ and NINJA book if you really want to dig in and learn the material. If you want to review NINJA Notes, or you can just get the whole 10 Point Combo. (giggles) That might be a good option too. But definitely NINJA MTQ at a minimum. Eric writes in, "Hi Jeff, first I want to thank you for your NINJA MTQ questions, which helped me pass my last two sections, BEC and FAR. Now that I am done with passing the CPA exam, I'm in the process of doing the procedures necessary to apply for my CPA license. My question is that does it matter what state I apply for, for my license? If I only plan to work in Industry and not at a CPA firm as a tax accountant and not planning to sign off on financial statements? The reason why I'm asking this, is I'm currently working in Texas but I noticed some of the requirements for the license in the state are more stringent than in other states such as Arizona or Michigan. As a result, I'm considering applying for the license in another state outside of the state I am working. Please advise. Thank you." Well, Eric, if you're going to work in Industry... Okay, so why would someone want to be licensed if they are going to work in Industry? Well for one thing, it can be a career hedge just to keep your license active in case you want jump into public accounting, you already have your license. If you don't ever ever ever see that as a possibility, then there's really no point in getting the license because number one, CPE is horrible, it's boring, it's expensive, you'll want to poke your eyes out with an ice pick. Okay, so there's that. But, okay so you don't really want to be the guy in your company putting comma CPA after their name and and when you send intra-company emails, I guess you could, but it's like, hey, look at me, I work in whatever. Something that's unrelated to accounting, but I put in CPA. You can do that, no one really cares. You know, if you want to, you can hang your CPA certificate in your cube or in your office or whatever, and people will, "Oh, that's cool." If you pass the CPA exam, it means you're good at math. Because you can't send external emails, so like you can't email a vendor with your name, Eric comma CPA, unless you're licensed in your state. So, or unless you're in you're in Texas so Eric comma CPA and you put in parentheses Michigan, but you're emailing a Texas client, that doesn't really make sense. So maybe it's not worth getting the license and keeping the license. I mean, I don't know. I would get licensed in the state that you want to work in. Or if you plan on moving, I would get licensed in the most stringent state possible so if you plan on moving to Arizona and... Then I would Then I would check the reciprocity. So I don't want to make this question drag out. Number one, why do you want to be licensed? Because if it's just to put it in your work email, I wouldn't do that. That's a lot of money and a lot of boring hours about stuff you don't care about anymore and probably isn't relevant to what you do anyway, because you can get CP over farm tax returns, but you work for a publicly traded electric utility and you work in a regulatory environment and guess what? You don't ever plan on filling out a schedule F ever. And So why do you want to be licensed and then you assume the reciprocity stuff is a little tricky, and I'll be willing to punt and I'm going to tell you to call your state, like whatever state you want to be licensed in, call them and talk to them about it. So that way it... Because ultimately they know, but hopefully I gave you some things to think about. Ryan says, "I'm currently eligible to take the CPA exam so I'm in the market for a review course," Marketing alert! "Can I pass the exam using your 10 Point Combo without purchasing a review course from someone else?" Yes. You can. NINJA is comprehensive enough to be used as a complete course. NINJA book, NINJA MCQ, are very thorough. And then NINJA offers stuff that other courses don't offer in their base package like, the audio, the notes, flashcards. And it's flexible enough to be used in conjunction with any course. So a lot of people will buy their crazy expensive Porsche and then buy the 10 Point Combo and use them together, and it works great. But yes, you can use it to only study for the CPA exam. There's someone in the forum, and it's happening more and more, and they they passed using only the book and MCQ and scored a 93 on auditing. The results are probably not typical, but it did happen. Melissa writes in, "Can you please clarify how your program works? Is it designed to be a supplement or to be used with another program like Becker? Or can it be used as a standalone program? I took the CPA exam many many years ago when you'd go and sit for two days in a closed room. Although I came close, I obviously did not pass, and have since had three children. I am exploring the possibility of trying again. This has always been one of my goals. I just need the courage to give it another try." Melissa, the first thing I would do is read, download my CPA Exam Survival Guide and I talk a little bit about that. And there's quite a few people in your boat who are non-traditional candidates. So they sat for it a long time ago, in the paper and pencil days and they want to give it another try. Yes, like I just said, NINJA materials are they are comprehensive enough and I think they're great to use as a standalone product. Obviously I'm biased, Of course, the bigger question is does it match your learning style? So I would download the NINJA demos and I would check out maybe two or three other courses some of the other crazy expensive courses, I would check out their videos too. Maybe you feel more comfortable. See, I don't do I don't do video lecturing right now so, And I don't that I ever will, but You might feel more comfortable with that. So I would check out other courses' demos. And you know what I would do? I would go to the another71.com forum in the upper right hand corner, search for your review course that you're thinking about and there's probably hundreds or thousands of posts about that review course. Because the form has been around since 2009 and there's like half a million posts in there, so... Making it the number one and most visited CPA exam related site on the planet. (laughs) I'm not sure why I used that voice. It was obnoxious. Josh says, "Hey Jeff, I love all of your stuff and I've been preparing tirelessly to get started studying in your NINJA framework. I understand, first comes Niva Concepts. Okay, read lots of videos, and read Intense Notes then the end is Nonstop Empty Qs. Okay, but what's the timeline for the NIN?" Okay, Niva Concepts, Intense Notes, and Nonestop Empty Q. Probably a month. So two weeks to get to your notes or your book, week and a half to get through your multiple choice questions and take notes, and then a week or so to rewrite No I did that wrong. So yeah, probably a month. So two weeks to get through your book, your videos, whatever it may be, if you're using the 10 Point Combo, two weeks to get through the NINJA book, taking notes, and if you're watching your videos, two weeks to get through your videos, give or take, I mean, it could take you a week and a half. It could take you a week. But and taking Intense Notes along the way and then a week and half to two weeks to get to your multiple choice questions, taking Intense Notes, then you have your crazy awesome set of notes and then you rewrite them. Spend a week doing that. So in your seven to eight week study regimen for an exam, N-I-N of the N-I-N-J-A for NINJA, takes about takes a little bit over half of that. Ahmed writes in, "My name is Ahmed and I really enjoy your website and tweets. I just started studying for for auditing and I'm kind of indecisive when it comes to A, using old materials and B, which materials I should use. I'm currently using 2011 Becker." That is a mistake. I would not, okay You could probably get away with using old BEC materials. It's not a best practice, but you're probably not going to hell either (laughs) if you do it. So if you have a 2014 BEC of whatever, whatever course, probably get away with BEC. The rest of them, I wouldn't do it. I would use July 2015 updates and later, because the reason for that is like, the Thasby is issuing like so you have Thasby and the I-A-S-B, and so they're moving towards convergence and making Thasby less and less different, making the Thasby standards of codification less and less different than Ivers. So So Anyway, I would I would use July 2015 materials or later. So those 2011 materials, I don't know where you live, but if you have a fireplace, or if you can have a bonfire, I would take those materials and use it as great kindling for your next bonfire or fireplace. Here in Kansas, it's like negative two today, so which is why I have a t-shirt on. (laughs) Okay. So, subsequently, I started a fire. Yes, you could. Okay, so A, don't use old materials and B, which materials you should use? Again, I'm very biased. I think NINJA materials are amazing, (chuckles) but you might disagree, so check out the demos, also go to the another71.com forum and search for every review course you're considering. You'll see people post a lot of pros and some cons about each course, probably. Susan writes in, "I'm taking the audit part recently, with the trending score," so she's using NINJA MCQ, "of 72 or 73. However, my actual grade on the exam was a little below a 50. Why is there such a big difference? I've done tons of hours." Well, the trending score in NINJA MCQ is not perfect. And it is a system that can be gamed easily. And by simply just doing so many questions over and over and over, that you that you memorize the answers and are getting them right. And so you know, you're trending towards a 72 or 73 is still a failing score, but, and so but you know, you trend towards a 72 or 73. Maybe you expected to get maybe a 70 or a 65 to 75, somewhere in there? Why at 50? My guess is that you were starting to answer to memorize answers. And like for instance, there have been people who have done thousands and thousands and thousands of questions in NINJA MCQ over one topic, over one exam session, and had a 100% trending score, and failed. And it's for that very reason. So make sure that you when you do... Okay, so when you see a question and if you don't know the answer but you're guessing or you're memorizing the answer, then you might want to use the question mark, which marks it as a guess, which gives you the answer but still marks it incorrect. But I would watch out for memorizing your your questions. Because you're not learning the concepts, you're memorizing the answers. And so that is dangerous. Your average score... So if your trending score is like 80 and your average score is 65, so your average score takes into account every question you've done since the beginning. Your trending score takes into account the questions that are more recent, and also takes into account the content specification outline weights. And so I would I would be weary of a low average score if your trending score is high. Final question. Jafar says, "Hi Jeff, I've been out of school for 10 years. I forgot pretty much everything I learned. Is CPA NINJA right for me? For someone who wants to start from scratch again, last summer I studied very hard for BEC using Becker and got a 64. Your honest response would be very much appreciated." Well the question is, is it comprehensive and complete enough to be used as a standalone course? Yes. Is it right for you? I hope so, but again, you want to check out the demos so you can go to another71.com and you'll see the free demos. It's actually $162.00 for the free materials. And how I arrived at that was to the price of the full combo and each product has eight chapters or eight section, give or take and you get a free full chapter of each NINJA product, for all four exams. So that's how I arrived at that math. So, it's actually free materials that are actually worth something. If nothing else, add a point or two on exam day. But check out the NINJA demos and they might not be right for you if you... See, NINJA MCQ or NINJA book, it was created so that you don't need a two or three thousand dollar course to open the book and tell you what's in the book, and tell you what not to read and what to read. Instead, if it's in there, you need to read it. And you're smart enough. You can read it yourself and has everything that doesn't need to be in there, stripped out, versus taking a book that's like a phone book and paying a two thousand to three thousand dollar course to tell you what you should not pay attention to. So NINJA materials might be right for you. Alright. If you want to submit a question to the podcast, go to another71.com, click on the upper right hand corner to Ask Jeff and I say this every quarter, and then a quarter later I do my next podcast. I swear I'm going to do it weekly. I promise. If you send in questions, I will have no choice but to do that. So submit your questions to Ask Jeff and it will appear in a future edition of CPA Reviewed. Hopefully, a very... Hopefully it will happen very soon so that the information for you is relevant and timely. You can also hit me up on Facebook. Facebook.com/another71 There's like 41 thousand of you now? So that's pretty awesome. Or, also the another71.com forum. Thank you for listening, thank you for watching. Thank you for putting up with my tangents As always, be good, take care, and I will talk to you soon. (heavy metal music)
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