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  • Lisa Haven: Hi everybody this is Lisa Haven and I have

  • an interesting topic for you! And that is,

  • what happens when you die? Now, this is one hundred percent proof,

  • from the mouth of NDEs which are Near Death Experience cases.

  • And I am going to get into detail and I am going to share a couple of stories about that.

  • But 100 percent true about what happens when you die, at least from the

  • mouths of some involved. Now,

  • I have been reading this book it is called,

  • The Supernatural Worldviewby Chris Putnan

  • and it recently came out.

  • Anyhow, I really enjoyed it and I found some great insights

  • on it. I am not done reading it yet, but I have started on it,

  • and I just want to share with you, some of those stories

  • from this book and I will leave a link at the bottom if you want to check that out.

  • But oftentimes, people are left with a question:

  • What happens at the end of life? What happens when you die?

  • All religions tend to claim they have an answer - you have reincarnation as an answer,

  • you have the atheist view - where you just die and that is it. [Chuckles]

  • And then you have the Christian answer which is you die and there is a Heaven,

  • and there is the Hell, which is what I believe.

  • And which is what I know is real, but we are going to take

  • the advise of near-death experiences and then make our conclusion.

  • And I think you will be amazed by it. And then you also have the other side

  • where everybody goes to Heaven!

  • All paths lead to Heaven! Is that really the case?

  • And that is the question that I want to address today, but the first

  • near-death experience and these are people who have basically died,

  • or almost died, or left their body

  • during surgery, or walked down a tunnel, or saw Heaven, or saw Hell.

  • Something happened to these people, when they came back,

  • they had an amazing story and there are a lot of links that can be seen.

  • So anyway, the first story that I want to just read to you,

  • again I am going to read it straight from this book, is this Kimberly Clark story and it is about...

  • ...she was one of the workers in the hospital

  • but it is about the girl, Maria. And I am just going to read it to you straight from here,

  • but it is pretty cool.

  • Okay, “Maria had never been to Seattle

  • America was everything she had imagined and more

  • although the rain never stopped that crazy flying saucer looking building

  • epitomized America's excess en la

  • parte superior, however this visit was only brief

  • respite from the audacious

  • picking season, like most other migrant workers she sent her hard-earned wages home.

  • She came to this country for work and

  • flash suddenly, swishing pain, shortness of breath and darkness

  • had filled her heart. Sirens and traffic

  • and blinding lights were heard overhead a very skinny nurse

  • said she had a heart attack. She had been admitted to the Harborview

  • Hospital's Coronary Care Unit. While lying in the metal frame

  • bed - everything seemed white-clean, a bleach

  • aroma prevailed. Surely, she would be up against soon,

  • it came again like a cannon-shot - the pain in her chest exploded

  • once more. And there she went

  • up and out of her body...” Now, she was having

  • a cardiac arrest and here she is, all of a sudden, leaving her body.

  • “...Really, out! She was out of her body! Looking down,

  • she saw panicked staff rush to her bedside

  • amidst the clamor of squawking alarms.

  • everything was realer than real - hyper real,

  • high-definition, holographic, multidimensional.

  • She was floating,

  • as the traffic was screaming and equipment was buzzing and beeping,

  • she felt a blissful peace. She rose through the ceiling,

  • through the roof and looked down on the hospital. 'Floating?'

  • she thought, 'Now that is odd. I am floating.' On a window ledge,

  • she saw a single tattered blue tennis shoes

  • sitting on its frayed lace. She wondered,

  • 'How did it get way up here on the third floor?' It had a hole

  • in the pinky toe. All of a sudden, she shot back into her body

  • and felt an icy hot pain as she looked up and saw the doctor holding

  • the defibrillator paddles...” So now, what has happened so far,

  • is she went in for, I believe,

  • a heart attack or cardiac arrest,

  • but she had this and then

  • she left her body, this happened two cases as far as for her cardiac arrest,

  • and she went up to the third floor of the building

  • and on the third floor she saw the shoe with a shoe lace.

  • And set a certain way - it was you know

  • well - it was sitting a certain way. Now, Kimberly Clark who is the nurse,

  • “...was working as a social worker at Harborview Hospital

  • when the unconscious cardiac arrest patient, Maria,

  • was admitted she had arrested again

  • in the hospital, flat lining for a minute or two,

  • but was resuscitated within the three minute window.

  • As part of her customary follow-up, Clark visited her

  • the same day whereupon Maria related

  • her out of body experience floating above the hospital.

  • In addition to describing Maria's perspective looking down on her body

  • and then rising through the building, Clark reported,

  • Maria proceeded to describe being further distracted by an object

  • on the third floor ledge at the north end of the building.

  • She thought her way up there and found herself

  • eyeball to shoelace with the tennis shoe, which she asked me to find for her.

  • Anxiously, to prove that she was not crazy,

  • Maria desperately wanted the social worker to find

  • the shoe.” Now, it goes on to say that basically

  • she goes up - Kimberly Clark - and she goes up to the third floor and she finds

  • this shoe with the shoelace with the hole in the pinky toe

  • just as Maria had described. And there is no way

  • that Maria would have known that, unless

  • she had a near-death experience or that out of body experience

  • and this is what we see happening with Maria. That is,

  • 100 percent concrete evidence

  • of someone leaving their body and coming back. Now, I want to read you one short one

  • and this is another story about Howard Storm and let me read you his is really short.

  • Storm was on a teaching trip to Paris when he was

  • suddenly overwhelmed by excruciating pain

  • and put into an ambulance and rushed to a nearby hospital.

  • For a short while he was dead.

  • As an Atheist, Storm,

  • expected oblivion at death -

  • to his astonishment he was suddenly out his body,

  • looking down at the hospital room...” Now, keep in mind he is an Atheist,

  • so his preconceived beliefs are not driving this,

  • because if it was his preconceived beliefs,

  • he surely would not have been out of his body as an Atheist, okay.

  • “...Then rather than going towards the light

  • he was forcibly dragged down to a horrific

  • place of darkness where monstrous evil

  • entities tortured him in revolting ways...”

  • That kind of sounds like the Hell of the Bible. He was dragged down to the pits of Hell,

  • but it goes on, “...later rescued and transported to Heaven,

  • he encountered angels and the Creator God

  • of the Bible. He described a life review

  • and an interesting conversation

  • with God. Storm was sent back with a new mission

  • to proclaim the Gospel and today he is a pastor

  • of the Christian religion.” So you have

  • one near-death experience with Maria going

  • up being able to see the shoe, okay now, keep in mind Maria was fully conscious -

  • she was able to describe a shoe,

  • okay, while her body was down below.

  • Okay, most people think, “Your brain is thinking.” Yes, your brain is thinking,

  • but even when you are unattached to your brain,

  • you still have a conscious mind - I want you to note that.

  • So, that is one key thing and another thing

  • that we are noticing with Howard Storm is that he too

  • was an Atheist and preconceived ideas of what happens

  • to these near-death experiences did not exist with him.

  • He was physically dragged to a place of

  • torment and the Bible describes that place of torment

  • as Hell. And I am going to read a couple scriptures in a moment.

  • Now, there is another story and I am going to just try to,

  • because it is a little long, but I am just going to

  • sum it up for you. But it is the Pam Reynolds story.

  • No, I will read it - it is not that long.

  • So, one more story and then we will stop with the stories but, “...Reynolds endured

  • an exotic surgical procedure called 'Operation Standstill,'

  • to remove a life-threatening aneurysm on her brain stem.

  • The procedure entails: stopping the heart, and the blood is drained from

  • the brain to allow the aneurysm to be

  • removed, even more the body temperature is lowered to sixty degrees

  • while fully anesthetized or with anesthetics

  • with sound admitting earplugs to verify

  • flat brain wave activity on the EEG (Electroencephalography)....”

  • So basically, she was put under by an anesthesiologist

  • sorry if I messed it up earlier, but she was put under by an anesthesiologist. And

  • they were working on her brain

  • and the heart and she was getting this aneurysm removed.

  • Well, the story goes on to say that basically she has the near-death experience.

  • And she floats above her body and she is able to describe

  • all the tools and the conversations that the doctor had while she was

  • under.” And it (her description) was to 100 percent details,

  • so much so, that the doctors themselves were just

  • utterly stunned and many of them converted

  • to Christianity. And the thing is,

  • she too was out of her body, which means

  • her conscience was working even though the brain

  • wason the tableif you will. So that is another thing that I wanted you to know.

  • Now, Doctor Jeffrey Long, who is

  • a radiation oncologist and he actually

  • founded and you can google this, the Near-death Experience Research Foundation (NDERF).

  • It is called N-D-E-R-F,

  • that is acronym or the short form of it.

  • Okay, and he lists twelve elements common

  • to most near-death experiences.

  • And he is going to list those twelve, now he surveyed 1300

  • different near-death experiences and that is a lot!

  • You know, obviously someone is trying to get the message out!

  • God, in my opinion and you are going to see that also, is trying to get

  • the message out to the world -

  • that He is real, the supernatural world exist

  • and this is exactly what we are seeing. So, I am going to share with you a list of

  • twelve things that doctor Jeffrey Long

  • found in his research. 1) They all had an out of body experience.

  • Meaning they all left their body and their body was left behind.

  • 2) Separation of consciousness from the body.

  • Their conscience was separated from their brain. Okay.

  • 3) Intense positive emotions or feelings.

  • 4) Passing into a tunnel.

  • 5) Encountering a mystical or brilliant bright light.

  • And on some cases,

  • they passed into darkness and were dragged into

  • a place of torment,

  • like we heard in... the prior story who was Howard...

  • Sorry, I am 'blanking on' (forgetting) his name,

  • Howard Storm, like Howard Storm's case.

  • Okay and then,

  • 6) Encountering other beings.

  • Either mystical beings and/or

  • dead relatives and dead friends and

  • dead acquaintances, something to that effect. So these people are seeing

  • other people who have died.

  • 7) A sense of alteration of time and space.

  • 8) Life review.

  • And that is, a lot of them say that they see their whole life

  • pass before their eyes and the crazy thing is

  • that is exactly what the Bible tells us and there is a scripture

  • on that, where our life is replayed in front of eyes and the Bible is clear (1 Corinthians 3:13),

  • that we will have to give an account of our lives, if you will (2 Corinthians 5:10).

  • That is just straight out of what God says

  • 9) Encountering unworldly heavenly realms or dark realms

  • if you will. You have your heavenly realm and then you have your Hell.

  • 10) Encountering or learning special knowledge.

  • Meaning the reason they were sent (to Earth) or sometimes they have a mission

  • when they come back, obviously, to proclaim the Gospel as a lot have said.

  • But they learned things about the afterlife and

  • 11) Encountering a boundary or barrier and

  • 12) The individual is returned to the body whether it was voluntarily

  • done or involuntarily done.

  • Now, these are the things that had been found

  • in common in a lot of these cases,

  • and they 'go hand in hand' (are consistent) with what the Bible says,

  • as far as these experiences are concerned.

  • And sometimes they are sent back to their bodies to proclaim the gospel, or sometimes

  • they do not want to come back

  • but they come back so they can share. But there are all kinds of stories and

  • we need to remember from a Christian perspective

  • that there is a Heaven and there is a Hell

  • and these (testimonies) are 'straight up' (precise)

  • examples of that.

  • These are 100 percent evidence that Heaven and Hell are real and what the Bible is saying

  • is real. None of these talked about reincarnation,

  • none of these just died and nothing happened like what the atheists believe.

  • All of these did not experience good things when they left - you know some went to a

  • great place and

  • some went to a bad place. Okay, so that means

  • some people go to Hell, so it debunks all three

  • of the other theories out there. And there is only one left,

  • and that is the Bible,

  • and the information that we have

  • from the Lord that tells us Heaven and Hell exists.

  • Now, two other stories that I want to bring up really quickly are

  • Bill Wiese. If you guys have not read his book I believe it is 30

  • minutes in Hell or 15 minutes in Hell,

  • “23 minutes in Hell,” I believe. It is a frightening encounter

  • of a man who dies and goes to Hell

  • and I highly suggest that you read it. You know just

  • so that you know that Hell is real and Hell does exist

  • and there is such a huge (group),

  • you know, of Christian out there. There is such a huge group of people now claiming

  • that Hell is not real. Well they are wrong! [Chuckles]

  • And the NDEs, those near-death experiences - not only does the Bible talk

  • about Hell - but the near-death experiences are

  • proving without a shadow of a doubt that Hell exist.

  • Read the book by Bill Wiese if you do not believe in Hell or even if you do

  • it is an awesome book. And obviously, most recently everybody is probably familiar

  • with the book,

  • Heaven is for Real,” where a three year old and I believe he was three,

  • do not quote me, but I have read the book and he dies

  • and he goes to Heaven and he recounts his grandfather, he recounts

  • being with Jesus as a three year old!

  • Okay, there is no way that a kid

  • that young can have recollection of that

  • nature. So, based on the three accounts you have heard today, based on Bill Wiese,

  • based onHeaven is for Real,”

  • we know there is a Heaven and there is a Hell. So here is just a couple scriptures

  • that I want to close with and it is Romans 2:6-8,

  • “...He will render to each one according to his works:

  • to those who by patience and well-doing seek for glory and

  • honor and immortality. He will give eternal life;

  • but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth,

  • but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath

  • and fury.” That talks about, in a roundabout way, a Heaven

  • and it talks about a Hell. Okay, here is another one - Hebrews 9:27,

  • And just as it is appointed for man to die once,

  • and after that comes judgment,”

  • when we have that life replay (or review)

  • of our whole entire life, run before our eyes.

  • That is thatjudgment,” that is coming or, you know,

  • that is eventually going to happen. Matthew 25:41,

  • Then He will say to those on His left,

  • 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the

  • eternal fire...'” That sounds like torture.

  • “'...prepared for the devil and his angels.'” That is a direct reference

  • to Hell. Here is another one,

  • John 14:2, “In my Father's house are many mansions.

  • If it were not so, would I have told you

  • that I go to prepare a place for you?” Where is Jesus preparing a place for us?

  • That is in Heaven, that is in Heaven. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18,

  • But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers,

  • about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve

  • as others do who have no hope.

  • For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,

  • even so, through Jesus Christ, God will bring with Him

  • those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,

  • that we who are alive, who are left until the coming

  • of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

  • For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a cry

  • of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.

  • And the dead in Christ will rise first.

  • Then we who are alive,

  • who are left, will be caught up together with them in the

  • clouds to meet the Lord

  • in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” Now that is a reference to the rapture,

  • if He pulls us up, then we have to be going somewhere.

  • We are not going to be sitting on air - we are going somewhere

  • and that is a heavenly place.

  • Matthew 25:46, “And these will go away into eternal punishment,

  • but the righteous into eternal life.”

  • Now that is just amazing,

  • there are so many scriptures about Heaven and Hell

  • and I just suggest,

  • you know, going over some of them but all this to say,

  • that there is evidence for what happens when we die.

  • And whether you want to accept that, that evidence is real

  • or you want to push it under the rug and ignore it - is up to you.

  • But not only do we have the Bible for our evidence screaming

  • to us the truth, because everything else

  • has been disproved by the near-death experiences, all the other

  • things already disproved it.

  • But the Bible remains true,

  • and we need to keep that in mind. And the Bible

  • has and always will be the truth.

  • It is the solid word of God.

  • Will you listen to Him today? Will you listen to that call on your life?

  • Take the people who have experienced this as word for it,

  • and understand that the supernatural world is real!

  • Oftentimes, in other countries

  • across the globe, they experience miracles, and casting out of demons and deliverances

  • and all kinds of these wonderful works that God says that we will see.

  • But we in America have a scientific naturalistic worldview,

  • so it is hard sometimes for us to break through that

  • boundary line and to understand,

  • Yes, there is a spiritual realm!” And I just want to encourage you

  • today to break through that boundary and understand that spiritual battle does

  • exist and understand that Heaven

  • and Hell, God, Jesus and the Bible are

  • for real! With that, this is Lisa Haven signing off.

  • End

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