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So, 120 years ago,
譯者: Shelley Krishna Tsang 審譯者: Harvey Hao Liu
Dr. Röntgen X-rayed his wife's hand.
在120年前
Quite why he had to pin her fingers to the floor
倫琴醫生給他妻子的手拍攝了X光照片。
with her brooch, I'm not sure. It seems a bit extreme to me.
只是,為什麼他要用胸針把他妻子的手指釘在地上
That image was the start of the X-ray technology.
對此我很不解。這對我來說有點不可思議。
And I'm still fundamentally using the same principles today.
但這張照片確實是X射線技術的開端。
I'm interpreting it in a more contemporary manner.
並且我基本上依然在使用與當年相同的原理。
The first shot I ever did
但是我用的是一種比較現代的表達方式。
was of a soda can, which was to promote a brand that we all know,
我拍攝的第一張照片
so I'm not going to do them any favors by showing you it.
是一個汽水罐,用來為大家都熟悉的一個牌子做廣告,
But the second shot I did was my shoes I was wearing on the day.
所以我不打算給你們展示那張照片,免得為他們做廣告。
And I do really like this shot, because
我拍攝的第二張照片是我曾穿過的一雙鞋子。
it shows all the detritus that's sort of embedded
我非常喜歡這張照片,因為
in the sole of the sneakers.
從照片上能看到所有
It was just one of those pot-luck things where you
嵌在鞋底上的碎石。
get it right first time.
這只是那些有意思的事情之一,你
Moving on to something a bit larger,
才剛剛開始瞭解到。
this is an X-ray of a bus.
讓我們繼續來看看大一些的東西,
And the bus is full of people.
這是一張公交汽車的X光照片。
It's actually the same person. It's just one skeleton.
這輛車上載滿了人。
And back in the '60s,
實際上他們都是同一個人,都是一具骨架。
they used to teach student radiographers
讓我們把目光倒回上世紀60年代
to take X-rays, thankfully not on you and I,
人們以前培訓X光照相師
but on dead people.
拍攝X光照片,但幸好不是給我們拍,
So, I've still got access to one of these dead people
而是拍攝死人。
called Frieda; she's falling apart, I'm afraid,
現在,我們仍然能夠拍攝到當年的那些死人之一
because she's very old and fragile.
她的名字叫Frieda。我擔心她一直在腐化,
But everyone on that bus is Frieda.
因為她已經非常老了,而且還很脆弱。
And the bus is taken with a cargo-scanning X-ray,
但那輛公車上的每個人都是Frieda
which is the sort of machine you have on borders,
這張公車的照片是由X光貨物掃描器器拍攝的,
which checks for contraband and drugs and bombs and things.
就是我們在邊境關口看到的那種機器,
Fairly obvious what that is.
用來檢查走私品,毒品和爆炸物之類的東西。
So, using large-scale objects
很明顯能看出來這是什麼。
does sort of create drama
拍攝大尺度的物體
because you just don't see X-rays of big things that often.
確實是相當有戲劇性的
Technology is moving ahead,
因為你很少見到大型物體的X光照片。
and these large cargo scanner X-rays
科技在不斷進步
that work with the digital system are getting better and better and better.
這些大的X光貨物掃描器器
Again though, to make it come alive
以及其中的數位系統正在變得越來越好。
you need, somehow, to add the human element.
然而,要把它變得更真實些
And I think the reason this image works, again, is because
你需要加入一些人的因素。
Frieda is driving the bulldozer.
我認為這張圖片成功的原因在於
(Laughter)
Frieda在駕駛這台推土機。
Quite a difficult brief,
(笑聲)
make a pair of men's pants look beautiful.
這是個相當困難的事,
But I think the process, in itself, shows how exquisite they are.
讓一條男士褲子看起來漂亮。
Fashion -- now, I'm sort of anti-fashion because I
但我認為這個過程本身就體現了它有多麼精細。
don't show the surface, I show what's within.
時尚,我現在是個反時尚者,因為我
So, the fashionistas don't really like me
不展現事物的表面,而是事物的內部。
because it doesn't matter if Kate Moss is wearing it or if I'm wearing it,
所以,時尚人士一定不喜歡我
it looks the same.
因為不論是Kate Moss或是我穿著時裝,
(Laughter)
看起來都是一樣的。
We all look the same inside, believe me.
(笑聲)
The creases in the material and the sort of nuances.
我們的內部看起來都是一樣的,相信我。
And I show things for really what they are, what they're made of.
面料上的褶皺和這些細微之處。
I peel back the layers and expose it.
而我展示食物最真實的一面,他們是由什麼構成的。
And if it's well made I show it, if it's badly made I show it.
我透視它
And I'm sure Ross can associate that with design.
并如實的展現出來。
The design comes from within.
我能肯定Ross將會把它同設計聯繫起來。
It's not just Topshop,
但設計源自事物的內在。
I get some strange looks when I go out getting my props.
而不是表面的樣子。
Here I was fumbling around in the ladies' underwear department
在我尋找我的拍攝道具時,我得到一些奇怪的圖像。
of a department store, almost got escorted from the premises.
這個是我在百貨商店的女士內衣部搜尋時找到的
I live opposite a farm. And this was the runt of the litter, a piglet that died.
幾乎要被商家趕出來。
And what's really interesting is,
我住在一家農場的對面,這就是那家農場的牲口,一隻死掉的小豬。
if you look at the legs, you'll notice that the bones haven't fused.
真正有趣的是,
And should that pig have grown,
當你看著它的腿時,你會發現那些骨頭都沒有癒合。
unfortunately it was dead, it would have certainly been dead
這只小豬還沒有生長成熟,
after I X-rayed it, with the amount of radiation I used anyway.
不幸的是它死了,並且在我用X射線照射他之後
(Laughter)
應該肯定它已經死了,介於我所用的輻射劑量。
But once the bones had fused together
(笑聲)
it would have been healthy.
但是一旦那些骨頭癒合之後
So, that's an empty parka jacket.
它應該能夠很健康的。
But I quite love the way it's posed.
那麼,現在這就是一件皮夾克。
Nature is my greatest inspiration.
但是我很喜歡它的這個造型。
And to carry on with a theme that we've already touched with
自然是我最大的靈感。
is how nature is related to architecture.
下面繼續我們已經接觸到的一個話題
If you look at the roof of the Eden Project,
那就是自然如何與建築相聯繫。
or the British library, it's all this honeycomb structure.
如果你看到“伊甸園計畫”(一個人造的大型溫室),
And I'm sure those architects are inspired,
或者不列顛圖書館的屋頂,你會發現他們都是蜂巢結構的。
as I am, by what surrounds us, by nature.
我敢肯定,這些建築師的靈感,
This, in fact, is a Victoria water lily leaf
同我的一樣,都來自我們的周圍,來自大自然。
that floats on the top of a pond.
事實上,這是一片維多利亞睡蓮的葉子
An amaryllis flower looking really three-dimensional.
漂浮在池塘上的。
Seaweed, ebbing in the tide.
喇叭花看上去很有立體感。
Now, how do I do this, and where do I do this, and all of that sort of thing.
退潮時的海藻。
This is my new, purpose-built, X-ray shed.
現在我要向大家展示我如何拍攝這些,我在哪拍攝這些,以及之類的問題。
And the door to my X-ray room
這是我新建的X射線專用攝影棚。
is made of lead and steel.
這是通往X射線室的門
It weighs 1,250 kilograms and the only exercise I get is opening and closing it.
用鉛和鋼材做成。
(Laughter)
它有1250公斤重,我唯一的鍛煉就是打開和關上這個門。
The walls are 700 millimeters thick of solid dense concrete.
(笑聲)
So, I'm using quite a lot of radiation.
牆壁都是用700毫米厚的高密度混凝土製成的。
A lot more than you'd get in a hospital or a vet's.
我使用很大的輻射量。
And there I am. This is a quite high-powered X-ray machine.
比醫院或者獸醫那所用的量都要大。
What's interesting really about X-ray really
我就在那。這是一台相當高功率的X射線儀器。
is, if you think about it, is that that technology
關於X射線真正有趣的事情是,
is used for looking for cancer or looking for drugs,
是,如果你考慮到的話,是這項技術
or looking for contraband or whatever.
是用來檢查癌症和搜查毒品的,
And I use that sort of technology
或者是走私物品之類的東西。
to create things that are quite beautiful.
而我用這種技術
So, still working with film, I'm afraid.
製造美麗的畫面。
Technology in X-ray where it's life-size processed,
我恐怕還要是用膠片。
apart from these large cargo-scanning machines,
X射線技術在實物大小的處理中,
hasn't moved on enough for the quality of the image
撇開那些大型的掃描機器不談,
and the resolution to be good enough for what I want to do with it,
在圖像品質上並沒有很大的改進
which is show my pictures big.
解析度足夠我進行這些展示
So, I have to use a 1980s drum scanner,
把我的圖片放大展示出來。
which was designed in the days when everyone shot photographs on film.
我是用過一個20世紀80年代的鼓形掃描器,
They scan each individual X-ray.
它被設計出來的時候,人們都還在用膠片拍照。
And this shows how I do my process of same-size X-rays.
它掃描單獨的X射線照片。
So, this is, again, my daughter's dress.
這個展示了我如何處理小尺寸的X光照片。
Still has the tag in it from me buying it,
這又是我女兒的裙子。
so I can take it back to the shop if she didn't like it.
還帶著我買它時候的標籤,
But there are four X-ray plates.
如果她不喜歡我還能到商店退貨。
You can see them overlapping.
這裏有4個X光底盤。
So, when you move forward from something fairly small,
你能看到他們重疊在一起。
a dress which is this size,
如果你的注意力從那些相當小尺寸的東西,
onto something like that which is done in exactly the same process,
比如一條這樣大小的裙子,
you can see that that is a lot of work.
轉移到這樣的物體上,它們照片處理的過程完全是一樣的,
In fact, that is three months solid X-raying.
你可以看到這需要很大的工作量。
There is over 500 separate components.
事實上,這是三個月固定X光掃描的成果。
Boeing sent me a 747 in containers.
這由500個單獨的部分組成。
And I sent them back an X-ray.
波音公司給我送來一架747飛機放在機庫裏。
(Laughter) I kid you not.
而我還給他們的是一張X光照片。
Okay, so Frieda is my dead skeleton.
(笑聲)我可沒跟你們開玩笑。
This, unfortunately, is basically two pictures.
好的,Frieda 是一具死去的骷髏。
One on the extreme right is a photograph of an American footballer.
這個,不幸的,本質上是兩張圖片。
The one on the left is an x-ray.
在最右邊的時一張美式足球運動員的照片。
But this time I had to use a real body.
最左邊的是一張X光照片。
Because I needed all the skin tissue to make it look real,
不過這次我用的是一個真實的身體。
to make it look like it was a real athlete.
因為我需要所有的皮膚組織,讓它看起來是真的,
So, here I had to use a recently deceased body.
看起來是一個真的運動員。
And getting a hold of that was extremely difficult and laborious.
於是,這次我用了一具最近死亡的屍體。
But people do donate their bodies to art and science.
然而把他們固定住相當困難和麻煩。
And when they do, I'm in the queue.
但是人們願意捐獻他們的遺體給藝術和科學事業。
So, I like to use them.
他們一旦捐贈,我就排隊領取。
(Laughter)
說實話,我很願意是用他們。
The coloring, so coloring adds another level to the X-rays.
笑聲
It makes it more organic, more natural.
下面談談顏色,著色給X光照片則更加了難度。
It's whatever takes my fancy, really.
它會讓照片更加生動,更自然。
It's not accurately colored to how it is in real life.
這真的很需要想像力。
That flower doesn't come in bright orange, I don't think.
這並不是真實世界裏的顏色。
But I just like it in bright orange.
這朵花並不是亮橘黃色的。
And also with something technical, like these are DJ decks,
但是我比較喜歡它是亮橘黃色的樣子。
it sort of adds another level.
同樣,一些具有技術性的東西,比如這架DJ台,
It makes a two dimensional image look more three dimensional.
這增加了新的維度。
The most difficult things to X-ray,
這讓二維的圖片看起來更加立體。
the most technically challenging things to X-ray
對於X光照片來說最難的事情,
are the lightest things, the most delicate things.
最具有技術性挑戰的事情
To get the detail in a feather,
是那些最輕的物體,最脆弱的物體。
believe me, if there is anyone out here who knows anything about X-rays,
為了得到羽毛當中的細節圖像,
that's quite a challenge.
相信我,如果這裏有人懂得X光技術,
I'm now going to show you a short film, I'll step to the side.
是相當大的挑戰。
Video: (Music)
我將向你們展示一段影片,我會站到一邊。
The thing in there is very dangerous.
錄影:(音樂)
If you touch that, you could possibly die
那裏的東西非常危險。
through radiation poisoning.
如果你接觸了他們,你很可能會死
In my career I've had two exposures to radiation,
於輻射中毒。
which is two too many, because it stays with you for life.
在我的職業生涯中,我有兩次暴露在輻射之下,
It's cumulative.
兩次已經很多了,因為輻射會一生留在你的體內。
(Music)
它是會累積的。
It has human connotations.
(音樂)
The fact that it's a child's toy that we all recognize,
它挺有人情味的。
but also it looks like it's a robot,
事實上這是一個小孩的玩具,我們都能認出來,
and it comes from a sci-fi genus.
但是看上去也像一個機器人,
It's a surprise that it has humanity,
這來自一種科幻小說。
but also man-made, future, alien associations.
令人驚訝的是它擁有人性,
And it's just a bit spooky.
但同時也是人造的,未來的,與外星人相聯繫的。
(Music)
看上去有點詭異。
The bus was done with a cargo-scanning X-ray machine,
(音樂)
which is used on the borders
這張公車的照片是由大型X光掃描器完成的,
between countries, looking for contraband and illegal immigrants.
用在邊境線上
The lorry goes in front of it. And it takes slices
檢查走私和非法移民。
of X-rays through the lorry.
卡車從前面進入,然後進行切面的
And that's how this was done. It's actually slice, slice.
X光照片貫穿整車。
It's a bit like a CT scanner in a hospital. Slices.
這就是如何完成的,事實上就是切面拍照。
And then if you look carefully, there is all little things.
這有點像醫院的CT掃描器。切片。
He's got headphones on, reading the newspaper,
如果你仔細觀察,這裏還有些細微的事情。
got a hat on, glasses, got a bag.
他帶著耳機,讀著報紙,
So, these little details
帶著帽子,眼睛,和一個包。
help to make it work, make it real.
這些細節
(Music)
讓照片看起來更真實。
The problem with using living people is that
(音樂)
to take an X-ray, if I X-ray you, you get exposed to radiation.
如果使用活人,那麻煩的是
So, to avoid that --
照射X光,如果我用X光照射你,你將暴露在輻射中。
I have to avoid it somehow --
所以,為了避免這樣的事,
is I use dead people.
我必須採取一點措施,
Now, that's a variety of things, from recently deceased bodies,
那便是用死人。
to a skeleton that was used by student radiographers
現在,這涵蓋了很多種類,從最近剛剛死去的屍體,
to train in taking X-rays of the human body,
到那些給學生的骨架
at different densities.
用來訓練他們拍攝人體X光照片,
(Music)
對於不同的密度。
I have very high-tech equipment of gloves, scissors and a bucket.
(音樂)
(Music)
我有一些非常高科技的裝備,手套,剪刀和一個桶子。
I will show how the capillary action works, how it feeds,
(音樂)
I'll be able to get all the cells inside that stem.
我將展示一些微小的作用原理,它是怎樣獲得營養的,
Because it transfers food from its roots to its leaves.
我將能得到這條莖裏面的所有細胞。
Look at this monster.
因為它將養料從根傳送到葉。
(Music)
看看這個怪物。
It's so basic. It just grows wild.
(音樂)
That's what I really like about it,
它是如此的原始,它只在野外生長。
the fact that I haven't got to go and buy it,
這就是我最喜歡它的地方,
and it hasn't been genetically modified at all.
事實上我不用去把它買來,
It's just happening.
它沒有被作任何修飾。
And the X-ray shows how beautiful nature can be.
它就這麼發生了。
Not that that is particularly beautiful
X射線照片展現了大自然有多美。
when you look at it with the human eye,
不是那個,它有很獨特的美
the way the leaves form. They're curling back on each other.
當你用肉眼看它,
So the X-ray will show the overlaps in these little corners.
樹葉生長的方式。它們相互卷在一起。
The thicker the object, the more radiation it needs,
X射線將展示在這些小角落的重疊。
and the more time it needs.
物體越厚,所需要的輻射就越多,
The lighter the object, the less radiation.
也需要更多時間。
Sometimes you keep the time up, because the time gives you detail.
物體越薄,需要的輻射也就越少。
The longer the exposure goes on for,
有時你需要掌握時間,因為時間能給你很多細節。
the more detail you get.
曝光時間越長
(Music)
你得到的細節就越多。
If you look at this, just the tube,
(音樂)
it is quite bright.
如果你看這裏,這枝幹,
But I could get a bit darker in the tube, but everything else would suffer.
它非常明亮。
So, these leaves at the edge would start to disappear.
如果把枝幹弄得深色一點,其他的部分就麻煩了。
What I like is how hard the edges are,
於是,這些在邊緣的葉子就開始消失了。
how sharp.
我喜歡的是邊緣有多明顯,
Yeah, I'm quite pleased with it.
有多銳利。
(Music)
是的,我很喜歡它。
I travel beyond the surface and show
(音樂)
something for what it's worth,
我在表面之下探尋並展示
for what it's really made of, how it really works.
那些有價值的東西,
But also I find that
它是如何構成的,如何運作的。
I've got the benefit of taking away all the surface,
同時我也發現
which is things that people are used to seeing.
拋開表面,我能得到很多,
And that's the sort of thing I've been doing.
那些人們經常見到的。
I've got the opportunity now to show you
這就是我一直在做的。
what I'm going to be doing in the future.
現在我得到一個機會
This is a commercial application of my most recent work.
向你展示我將來會做的事情。
And what's good about this, I think, is that it's like a moment in time,
這是我最近作品中的一個商業廣告。
like you've turned around, you've got X-ray vision
它好的地方是,我認為,它像某一時刻,
and you've taken a picture with the X-ray camera.
像你四處轉轉,你有了X射線視野
Unfortunately I haven't got X-ray vision.
你用X射線相機拍了一張照片。
I do dream in X-ray. I see my projects in my sleep.
不幸的是,我沒有X射線視野。
And I know what they're going to look like in X-ray and I'm not far off.
我做過X射線的夢,在睡夢中我看到我的項目。
So, what am I doing in the future?
我知道它們用X射線看起來是什麼樣子,而且我就在不遠處。
Well, this year is the 50th anniversary
那麼,在將來我要幹什麼?
of Issigonis's Mini, which is one of my favorite cars.
今年是第50周年紀念
So, I've taken it apart, component by component,
對於Issigoni的mini車,我最愛的汽車之一。
months and months and months of work.
於是我將它分解了,一個一個的零件,
And with this image, I'm going to be displaying
一個月又一個月的工作。
it in the Victoria and Albert Museum
這些圖片,我將展出
as a light box, which is actually attached to the car.
在Victoria and Albert博物館中的
So, I've got to saw the car in half, down the middle,
就像你一個燈箱,事實上是附在汽車上的。
not an easy task, in itself.
我從中間將車劈成兩半,
And then, so you can get in the driver's side, sit down,
這本身不是一個容易的工作。
and up against you is a wall.
然後你可以進入駕駛室那一邊,然後坐下,
And if you get out and walk around to the other side of the car,
對著你的是一堵牆。
you see a life-sized light box of the car showing you how it works.
如果你出來,走到車的另外一邊,
And I'm going to take that idea
你看到一個實物大小汽車形狀的燈箱
and apply it to other sort of iconic things from my life.
我將採取這個創意
Like, my first computer was a big movement in my life.
把它應用到生活中的其他象徵性的事物。
And I had a Mac Classic. And it's a little box.
比如,我的第一台電腦是我生活中的一個大行動。
And I think that would look quite neat as an X-ray.
我有一台Mac Classic,它是一个小盒子。
I'm also looking to
我認為在X光下它看上去很漂亮。
take my work from the two-dimensional form
我也在探索
to a more three-dimensional form.
把我的作品從二維
And this is quite a good way of doing it.
拓展到三維。
I'm also working now with X-ray video.
這是個相當好的方法。
So, if you can imagine, some of these flowers,
我現在也在製作X射線錄影。
and they're actually moving and growing
如果你能想像,這些花,
and you can film that in X-ray, should be quite stunning.
他們事實在移動和生長
But that's it. I'm done. Thank you very much.
你能用X射線拍攝下這些,那將非常棒。
(Applause)
好的,就是這些。非常感謝各位。