and when I worked on this film, I discovered something

在那過程中，我發現一件事

about how our brains work, and how our brains work

有關我們大腦的運作

is that, when we're sort of infused with

這運作大概是這樣

either enthusiasm or awe or fondness or whatever,

當我們充滿熱情、敬畏、喜愛等情緒的時候

it changes and alters our perception of things.

它會改變我們對事物的看法

It changes what we see. It changes what we remember.

改變我們所見、所記憶

And as an experiment, because I dauntingly create

而我做過實驗。這是因為我不怕死的

a task for myself of recreating a Saturn V launch

接下打造農神5號火箭升空的任務

for this particular movie, because I put it out there,

必須在電影中出現給觀眾看

I felt a little nervous about it, so I need to do an experiment

我覺得有些緊張，所以必須做個實驗

and bring a group of people like this in a projection room

把一群人找來放映室

and play this stock footage, and when I played this

並放映這個資料片段，當我這麼做時

stock footage, I simply wanted to find out

我只想知道

what people remembered, what was memorable about it?

人們記得什麼，什麼令人印象深刻

What should I actually try to replicate?

而我應該要打造出什麼樣的東西

What should I try to emulate to some degree?

哪些部分需要做得栩栩如真

So this is the footage that I was showing everybody.

所以這是我放給大家看的影片

And what I discovered is, because of the nature

而我發現，由於這部片的本質

of the footage and the fact that we're doing this film,

以及我們是為了製作電影而放映

there was an emotion that was built into it

它營造出一種情感

and our collective memories of what this launch meant to us

是我們對這場發射的集體記憶 和對我們的意義

and all these various things.

及所有其他的事情

When I showed it, and I asked, immediately after

當播放完畢後，我立刻問大家

the screening was over, what they thought of it,

他們的想法是什麼

what was your memorable shots, they changed them.

印象最深刻的畫面，但他們卻改變了影片的內容

They were -- had camera moves on them.

他們就像腦中有攝影機

They had all kinds of things. Shots were combined,

有各種想法，把不同的畫面結合

and I was just really curious, I mean, what the hell

而我非常好奇，我的意思是

were you looking at just a few minutes ago

你們不是明明才剛看完這段影片

and how come, how'd you come up with this sort of description?

為什麼，你們怎麼想出現這樣的陳述?

And what I discovered is, what I should do is not actually

而我發現，我需要做的

replicate what they saw, is replicate what they remembered.

並不是直接複製他們看到的畫面 而是他們所記得的部分

So this is our footage of the launch, based on, basically,

所以這是我們電影中火箭升空的畫面

taking notes, asking people what they thought, and then

根據當時人們的想法

the combination of all the different shots and all

混合各種不同的畫面

the different things put together created their sort of

和不同的細節以創造

collective consciousness of what they remembered

他們集體的感受和記憶

it looked like, but not what it really looked like.

而非模擬實際發生的畫面

So this is what we created for "Apollo 13."

這是我們為《阿波羅13》所製作的畫面

(Launch noises)

（發射的聲音）

So literally what you're seeing now is the confluence

所以你眼前所見的，是匯聚不同人

of a bunch of different people, a bunch of different memories,

不同的記憶

including my own, of taking a little bit of liberty

包括我自己的 並根據主題

with the subject matter.

加上一點自由創作

I basically shot everything with short lenses,

我基本上用短鏡頭來拍所有的畫面

which means that you're very close to the action,

也就是你可以很清晰的看到畫面上的動作

but framed it very similarly to the long lens shots

但卻讓畫面看起來像是用長鏡頭拍攝的

which gives you a sense of distance, so I was basically

讓你也有一種距離感

was setting up something that would remind you

我想創造出一種感覺

of something you haven't really quite seen before. (Music)

提醒觀眾這是前所未見的畫面 （音樂）

And then I'm going to show you exactly what it is

等等我要給你看當你在看這段影片時

that you were reacting to when you were reacting to it.

你實際在看的東西是什麼

(Music)

（音樂）

Tom Hanks: Hello, Houston, this is Odyssey.

湯姆漢克斯：哈囉，休士頓，這是奧德賽

It's good to see you again. (Cheers) (Music)

很高興再見到你（歡呼） （音樂）

Rob Legato: I pretend they're clapping for me.

Rob Legato：我假裝他們在為我鼓掌

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So now I'm in a parking lot. Basically it's a tin can,

我在停車場，用一個錫罐

and I'm basically recreating the launch with

利用滅火器、火

fire extinguishers, fire, I have wax that I threw

重新創造這個發射場景

in front of the lens to look like ice, and so basically

我把蠟丟在鏡頭前，讓它看起來像冰

if you believed any of the stuff that I just showed you,

所以如果你相信我剛給你看的畫面

what you were reacting to, what you're emoting to,

你所產生的反應及情感

is something that's a total falsehood, and I found that

都是根據完全不合實際的假象

really kind of fascinating.

這讓我感到十分著迷

And in this particular case, this is the climax of the movie,

這個例子，是電影中最高潮的一幕

and, you know, the weight of achieving it was simply

要完成這個場景只需要拿一個模型

take a model, throw it out of a helicopter, and shoot it.

把它從直升機丟下去，並拍攝

And that's simply what I did.

這就是我所做的

That's me shooting, and I'm a fairly mediocre operator,

這是我，在拍片 我的操作技術很普通

so I got that nice sense of verisimilitude, of a kind of,

所以我有很精準的擬真效果

you know, following the rocket all the way down,

跟著火箭一路下來

and giving that little sort of edge, I was desperately

讓畫面看起來很厲害 我當時只想拚命的讓小艇保持在畫面中

trying to keep it in frame. So then I come up to the next thing.

讓畫面看起來很厲害 我當時只想拚命的讓小艇保持在畫面中

We had a NASA consultant who was actually an astronaut,

接下來我們請了一位NASA諮詢師 他以前也是太空人

who was actually on some of the missions, of Apollo 15,

出過阿波羅15的太空任務

and he was there to basically double check my science.

他在那負責檢查我的科學

And, I guess somebody thought they needed to do that.

而我猜有些人覺得這是必要的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

I don't know why, but they thought they did.

我也不知道原因，但有些人覺得這很必要

So we were, he's a hero, he's an astronaut, and

所以我們跟這個英雄，也是太空人

we're all sort of excited, and, you know, I gave myself

大家都很興奮，我還覺得

the liberty of saying, you know, some of the shots I did

某些畫面我其實拍的還蠻好的

didn't really suck that bad.

沒那麼差

And so maybe, you know, we were feeling kind of a little

也許，我們有點太過自我感覺良好

good about it, so I brought him in here, and he needed

所以我們把他帶來

to really check and see what we were doing,

而他必須看看我們所做的事

and basically give us our A plus report card,

然後幫我們打個優等的分數

and so I showed him some shots we were working on,

所以我給他看一些我們正在製作的畫面

and waiting for the reaction that you hope for,

並等他用我們所希望的方式來回應

which is what I got. (Music) (Launch noises)

他也的確這麼做 （音樂、升空的聲音）

So I showed him these two shots,

所以我給他看這兩段畫面

and then he basically told me what he thought.

而他告訴我他的想法

("That's wrong") (Laughter)

「這是錯的」（笑聲）

Okay. (Laughter)

好吧（笑聲）

It's what you dream about.

這是你夢寐以求的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So what I got from him is, he turned to me and said,

這是他的回應，他轉頭告訴我

"You would never, ever design a rocket like that.

你根本不可能這樣設計火箭

You would never have a rocket go up

根本不可能火箭一邊升空

while the gantry arms are going out. Can you imagine

支撐架一邊脫落

the tragedy that could possibly happen with that?

你能想像這樣會發生什麼樣的悲劇嗎？

You would never, ever design a rocket like that."

你根本不可能這樣設計火箭

And he was looking at me. It's like, Yeah, I don't know

他看著我，而我想

if you noticed, but I'm the guy out in the parking lot

你難道沒發現，我就是在停車場

recreating one of America's finest moments with

用滅火器創造美國最美的電影畫面之一 的那位老兄啊

fire extinguishers.

用滅火器創造美國最美的電影畫面之一 的那位老兄啊

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And I'm not going to argue with you. You're an astronaut,

而我也不會跟你爭辯 你是太空人

a hero, and I'm from New Jersey, so --

是英雄，而我是紐澤西人......

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

I'm just going to show you some footage.

我說那我接下來給你看一些影片

I'm just going to show you some footage, and tell me what you think.

並請你告訴我你的想法

And then I did kind of get the reaction I was hoping for.

而我最後也得到我想要的回應

So I showed him this, and this is actual footage

所以我再給他看的影片

that he was on. This is Apollo 15. This was his mission.

是他出任務升空時 實際狀況的影片，阿波羅15

So I showed him this, and the reaction I got was interesting.

所以我給他看這個，而他的反應很有趣

("That's wrong too.") (Laughter)

「這也是錯的」（笑聲）

So, and what happened was, I mean, what I sort of intuned

所以這個狀況就是，我想

in that is that he remembered it differently.

他的記憶與實際狀況不同

He remembered that was a perfectly safe sort of gantry

他記得支撐架系統是完美並安全的

system, perfectly safe rocket launch, because he's sitting

能讓火箭安全升空，因為他坐在一個

in a rocket that has, like, a hundred thousand pounds

有上千磅的推進力

of thrust, built by the lowest bidder.

由最標價最低的廠商製作的火箭中

He was hoping it was going to work out okay.

他只希望能一切運作順利

(Laughter) (Applause)

（笑聲、鼓掌）

So he twisted his memory around.

所以他改變他的記憶

Now, Ron Howard ran into Buzz Aldrin, who was not

後來朗霍華（導演）碰到 Buzz Aldrin（前太空人）

on the movie, so he had no idea that we were faking

他沒有參與製片，所以不知道這些片段是假的

any of this footage, and he just responded

而他的反應很自然

as he would respond, and I'll run this.

我播給你看

Ron Howard: Buzz Aldrin came up to me

朗霍華：Buzz Aldrin 向我走來

and said, "Hey, that launch footage, I saw some shots

並說："那個發射的影片，我看到一些從未看過的畫面 你們是從什麼資料庫取得這些影片的？"

I'd never seen before. Did you guys, what vault did you find

並說："那個發射的影片，我看到一些從未看過的畫面 你們是從什麼資料庫取得這些影片的？"

that stuff in?" And I said, "Well, no vault, Buzz,

而我說："Buzz，不是從資料庫

we generated all that from scratch."

我們是重頭做起的呀。"

And he said, "Huh, that's pretty good. Can we use it?"

而他說："看起來很不錯，我們可以使用嗎"

(Explosion) ("Sure") (Laughter)

（爆炸聲）「當然」 （笑聲）

RL: I think he's a great American.

我覺得他是個很棒的美國人

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So, "Titanic" was, if you don't know the story,

電影《鐵達尼號》，如果你不知道這個故事

doesn't end well.

它的結尾不太好

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Jim Cameron actually photographed the real Titanic.

詹姆斯卡麥隆（導演）事實上拍過真的鐵達尼號

So he basically set up, or basically shattered

所以他創造了，或基本上是粉碎

the suspension of disbelief, because what he photographed

人們對他的懷疑，因為他拍的是真的船

was the real thing, a Mir sub going down, or actually

一艘潛艇到海裡，事實上是兩艘

two Mir subs going down to the real wreck,

往海底找到真正的船墟

and he created this very haunting footage.

創造出美得不可思議的片段

It's really beautiful, and it conjures up all these

真的很美，喚起各種不同的感覺

various different emotions, but he couldn't photograph

但他沒辦法拍下所有的東西

everything, and to tell the story,

而為了電影劇情

I had to fill in the gaps, which is now rather daunting,

我必須填補其中空白，現在聽起來很恐怖

because now I have to recreate back to back

因為我必須創造出

what really happened and I had, I'm the only one

能與這畫面水準相當的影片

who could really blow it at that point.

而我是唯一可能毀掉這件事的人

So this is the footage he photographed,

所以這是導演拍的畫面

and it was pretty moving and pretty awe-inspiring.

很動人並且令人嘆為觀止

So I'm going to just let it run, so you kind of absorb

所以我繼續讓你們看下去

this sort of thing, and I'll describe my sort of reactions

讓你吸收並感受到這股氛圍

when I was looking at it for the very first time.

我第一次看到這段影片的時候 我的反應是這樣

I got the feeling that my brain wanted to basically

我覺得我的腦基本上

see it come back to life.

希望這艘船能重現當時情景

I automatically wanted to see this ship,

我很自動地想要看到這艘船

this magnificent ship, basically in all its glory,

無與倫比的輪船 在它最榮耀輝煌的時刻

and conversely, I wanted to see it not in all its glory,

然後我又想看到它回到沉船的樣子

basically go back to what it looks like.

希望畫面回到現在的樣子

So I conjured up an effect that I'm later going to show you

所以我創造出等下我會給你們看的這個效果

what I tried to do, which is kind of the heart of the movie,

我嘗試做的，是這部電影的核心

for me, and so that's why I wanted to do the movie,

對我而言，這也是為什麼我想拍電影

that's why I wanted to create the sort of things I created.

為什麼我想要創造出我所創造的畫面

And I'll show you, you know, another thing that I found

另一件我覺得很有趣的事

interesting is what we really were emoting to

也就是我們看一個畫面受到感動時

when you take a look at it.

到底看到的是什麼

So here's the behind the scenes, a couple of little shots here.

這是幕後花絮，有幾個場景

So, when you saw my footage,

當你看我的影片

you were seeing this: basically, a bunch of guys

你看到的是：一群男生

flipping a ship upside down, and the little Mir subs

把一艘船翻過來，而小潛水艇的尺寸

are actually about the size of small footballs,

大約跟小橄欖球一樣大

and shot in smoke.

並且在煙霧中拍攝

Jim went three miles went down, and I went about

詹姆斯到海平面下三英里處拍攝

three miles away from the studio

而我則到攝影棚三英哩外拍攝

and photographed this in a garage.

並在車庫裡拍

And so, but what you're emoting to, or what you're looking

所以你們的感受，或你們正在看的

at, had the same feeling, the same haunting quality,

其實感受都相同，畫面都同樣有動人的好品質

that Jim's footage had, so I found it so fascinating

就像詹姆斯拍的畫面一樣，我覺得很不可思議

that our brains sort of, once you believe something's real,

因為我們的腦，一旦你相信什麼是真的

you transfer everything that you feel about it,

你就會改變一切去感受那種氛圍

this quality you have, and it's totally artificial.

你有這種能力 即使畫面都是人工的

It's totally make-believe, yet it's not to you,

都是造假的 但你並不這麼覺得

and I found that that was a very interesting thing

我覺得這點很有趣

to explore and use, and it caused me to create the next

值得繼續探討和使用 所以使我想創造

effect that I'll show you, which is

我接下來要給你看的片段

this sort of magic transition, and all I was really attempting

是種很奇妙的改變

to do is basically have the audience cue the effect,

而我想要做的是希望 觀眾主動去下效果出現的指令

so it became a seamless experience for them,

所以對他們而言這畫面接得毫無縫隙

that I wasn't showing you my sort of interpretation,

而我不是給你們看我對這段畫面的詮釋

I was showing you what you wanted to see.

而是給你們看 你們想看到的畫面

And the very next shot, right after this --

緊接著這個畫面之後......

So you can see what I was doing.

你可以知道我在做的

So basically, if there's two subs in the same shot,

基本上如果在同一個畫面中有兩艘潛艇

I shot it, because where's the camera coming from?

就是我拍的，不然攝影機要從哪來

And when Jim shot it, it was only one sub,

當詹姆斯拍的時候 只有一艘潛艇

because he was photographing from the other,

因為他在另一艘拍攝這一艘

and I don't remember if I did this or Jim did this.

而我不記得這畫面是我拍的 還是詹姆斯

I'll give it to Jim, because he could use the pat on the back.

我們說是詹姆斯拍的好了 他需要被鼓勵

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Okay. So now the Titanic transition.

所以這就是《鐵達尼號》畫面的轉變

So this is what I was referring to where I wanted to basically

基本上我想說的是

magically transplant from one state of the Titanic

我想要神奇地將鐵達尼 從一種狀態轉變為另一種

to the other. So I'll just play the shot once. (Music)

我把這畫面播一次（音樂）

(Music)

（音樂）

And what I was hoping for is that it just melts in front of you.

而我希望這畫面在你面前融出

Gloria Stuart: That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight.

「這是鐵達尼號最後一次見到日光」

RL: So, what I did is basically I had another

這是我在放映室的另一個經驗

screening room experience where I was basically tracking

當我在追蹤我在看的目標

where I was looking, or where we were looking,

或我們在看的地方

and of course you're looking at the two people on the bow

當然你們在看站在船首的兩人

of the ship, and then at some point,

但接著

I'm changing the periphery of the shot,

我開始改變畫面的內容

I'm changing, it's becoming the rusted wreck,

讓它改變成腐鏽船骸

and then I would run it every day, and then I would find

然後我每天播放

exactly the moment that I stopped looking at them

直到發現在哪個時間點 我會停止看著這兩人

and start noticing the rest of it, and the moment

而開始注意畫面其他的地方

my eye shifted, we just marked it to the frame.