I'm not good at drawing.

我不擅長畫畫。

So my name is Esther Perel.

我叫埃斯特-佩雷爾。

I'm a psychotherapist, an author and a speaker.

我是一名心理治療師、作家和演講家。

And my field of work is relationships and sexuality.

我的工作領域是人際關係和性。

My name is Baratunde Thurston.

我叫巴拉通德-瑟斯頓。

I'm a comedian, writer and activist.

我是一名喜劇演員、作家和活動家。

My field of work is making drunk, people laugh.

我的工作領域是讓人喝醉，讓人發笑。

Here is this man, right?

就是這個人，對嗎？

And this is an organ that is usually completely hidden.

而這個器官通常是完全隱藏的。

I would love to have it become really beautifully colored and I would like him to lead with power and heart and from that place, I would like him to connect, you know, with other men and other women from the heart.

我希望它變得非常漂亮，我希望他能用力量和心靈來上司，從那個地方，我希望他能與其他男人和其他女人從心靈上建立聯繫。

What I'm hearing, I interpret this, I see a a scale, right?

我所聽到的，我所理解的，我看到的是一杆秤，對嗎？

And these are new page.

這些都是新頁面。

Bye.

再見。

And you know, if the history of men was, you know, this imbalance, that's a scale.

你知道，如果男人的歷史就是這樣，你知道，這種不平衡，就是一種尺度。

We're just gonna call that a scale.

我們就稱它為刻度。

Then the future is gonna have something that's a little more balanced.

那麼未來就會有更平衡的東西。

Equality is not a 5050.

平等不是 5050。

That's what people typically, you know, how much do you do and how much do I do?

人們通常會問，你做多少，我做多少？

You know, I really think the key word really is complementarity.

你知道，我真的認為關鍵詞是互補性。

OK?

行嗎？

And that means we're not going to divide roles only by gender.

這意味著我們不能只按性別來劃分角色。

We're gonna divide roles by competence by who at this particular moment is the most suited to.

我們要按能力來劃分角色，看誰在此時此刻最適合。

The simple view says everything shared.

簡單的觀點說明了共享的一切。

5050 there's one pie and we split it down the middle.

5050 有一個餡餅，我們從中間分。

There are many pies and some of them may look like 5050.

有很多餡餅，其中一些看起來像 5050。

Some may look 2575 some maybe just be like the most narrow slice.

有些看起來像 2575，有些可能只是最窄的一片。

There is no way that I could do this if you were not doing the other part and that becomes a much more equalizing thing than this notion of 5050.

如果你不做另一部分，我是不可能做到這一點的，這比 5050 的概念要平等得多。

You know, sometimes we wanna say change comes one individual at a time, but change also needs to come through the system and that systemic change.

你知道，有時我們想說改變是一個人一個人的事，但改變也需要通過系統和系統性的改變來實現。

For example, I think paternity leave for me would be a systemic change that highlights different values of what we think is important in the life of a man.

例如，我認為對我來說，陪產假將是一個系統性的變革，它凸顯了我們認為男性生活中重要的不同價值觀。

And so there's only so far we can go by focusing on individuals.

是以，我們只能把注意力集中在個人身上。

We also have to look at the foundation they're standing on the system that supports them or that undermines them correct.

我們還必須研究他們所處的基礎，是支持他們的系統，還是破壞他們的系統。

And in this case, actual real child care and a real health care system, America uh would free us all to be, have a more equitable society.

在這種情況下，真正的兒童保育和真正的醫療保健系統，美國呃將解放我們所有人，使我們成為一個更加公平的社會。

I don't think this is gonna be done in 20 years.

我不認為 20 年內能完成這項工作。

I think it's a process we're gonna make progress during that time, but I would not be so uh optimistic.

我認為這是一個過程，我們會在此期間取得進展，但我不會那麼樂觀。

But how different are you from your grandparents' generation?

但是，你們和祖父母那一代人有什麼不同？

Oh, yeah, so much has changed and there is still so much to Yeah, it's been nice drawing with you.

是啊，變化太大了，還有很多事情要做 是啊，很高興和你一起畫畫。

My pleasure.

我的榮幸