TURNING THE PAGE.

FIRST THOSE WHO CALLED FOR THE

MUELLER REPORT FOR IMPEACHMENT.

NOW NOT SO MUCH.

AS DEMOCRATS SHIFT THE FOCUS OF

THEIR PUSH TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER

COMPLAINT.

JOINING ME NOW THE TREY GOWDY.

SIR, COULD I HAVE YOU LISTEN TO

ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIRMAN OF THE

INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

HE TALKS ABOUT THIS PLAN HE HAS.

LISTEN.

>> I THINK THE COMPLAIN GIVES US

A PRETTY GOOD ROAD MAP OF

ALLEGATIONS THAT WE NEED TO

INVESTIGATE.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT ROLE RUDY

GIULIANI HAD IN THIS, BILL BARR

HAD IN THIS.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT UKRAINE

UNDERSTOOD, WHAT WAS EXPECTED OF

THEM BEFORE THEY EVEN HAD THIS

JULY PHONE CALL WITH THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

WE'LL BE GUIDED BY THE EVIDENCE.

>> Dana: BASED ON YOUR

EXPERIENCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF

HIS TIMELINE AND ROAD MAP?

IS IT POSSIBLE, WE REPORTED

EARLIER, THAT MIKE EMANUEL TOLD

US FROM CAPITOL HILL, THAT

SCHIFF IS SAYING HE COULD HAVE A

HEARING NEXT WEEK WITH ATTORNEY

GENERAL BARR AND RUDY GIULIANI

AS WITNESSES.

>> YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A ROAD

MAP.

THERE'S THREE ISSUES.

DID THE PRESIDENT USE THE OFFICE

FOR PERSONAL OR POLITICAL GAIN?

THE HANDLING OF THE PHONE CALL

AND THE AFTER MATH.

AND WHAT ROLE DID THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL AND A PRIVATE CITIZEN,

RUDY GIULIANI PLAY?

THAT'S THE ROAD MAP.

THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THEY'VE HAD

SO FAR HAVE NOT GONE WELL.

I HAVE NOT TALKED TO A SINGLE

FORMER DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUE WHO

THINKS THE HEARINGS HAVE GONE

WELL.

SO THEY'LL MOVE IT BEHIND CLOSED

DOORS, I BELIEVE.

THEY'LL SELECTIVELY LEAK THINGS

TO KEEP THE BASE ENERGIZED.

I THINK THE PLAN IS TO PUNISH

THE SENATE, WHERE YOU CAN PUT

CANDIDATES LIKE COREY GARDNER

AND MARTHA MCSALLY THAT ARE IN

TOUGH RACES IN 2020, PUT THEM ON

THE SPOT AS THE JURY BUT GET IT

OUT OF THE HOUSE.

>> Dana: THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION

ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI'S ROLE.

HE'S BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING AND

BEEN PUBLIC IN WHAT HE SAYS WAS

HIS ROLE.

TAKE A LISTEN TO HIM TALKING

ABOUT WHAT HE SAID THE WHISTLE

BLOWER DID TO HIM.

>> THE WHISTLEBLOWER FALSELY

ALLEGES THAT I WAS OPERATING ON

MY OWN.

WELL, I WASN'T OPERATING ON MY

OWN.

I WENT TO MEET MR. ZELENSKY'S

AIDE AT THE REQUEST OF THE STATE

DEPARTMENT.

15 MEMOS MAKE THAT CLEAR.

>> Dana: SO, FROM A POSITION OF

GATHERING EVIDENCE AND IF YOU

ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE, IF YOU

HAVE SOMEBODY YOU WANT TO TALK

TO THAT SAYS I HAVE THIS

EVIDENCE ON MY PHONE AND SHOWS

IT PUBLICLY, IS THAT SOMETHING

THEY CAN PURSUE?

>> SURE.

YEAH.

RUDY'S NOT HARD TO FIND.

THAT'S A KNOWABLE FACT.

WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE

DEPARTMENT DIRECTED MR. GIULIANI

OR WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY ELSE

DID OR WHETHER HE DID IT ON HIS

OWN INITIATIVE.

I THINK THE SEMINOLE QUESTION

IS, DOES ANY OF THAT MATTER?

WHAT IS THE THEORY UNDER WHICH

IT'S AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?

IF THE PRESIDENT ASKED MAYOR

GIULIANI TO DO IT, IS THAT THE

IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?

KEEP IN MIND, IN THE TRANSCRIPT

IT WAS THE UKRAINIAN TRANSCRIPT

THAT FIRST BROUGHT UP RUDY'S

NAME.

IT WASN'T DONALD TRUMP.

UKRAINIAN'S PRESIDENT WAS THE

FIRST ONE TO BRING UP RUDY

GIULIANI.

WE ARE IN A SAD STATE OF FAIRS

IF YOU CANNOT HAVE THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL BILL BARR ASK ABOUT A

PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT AT ONE

POINT JIM COMEY AND THE FBI WERE

INTERESTED IN.

ALSO LOTS OF PEOPLE WERE

INTERESTED IN THE SERVER BECAUSE

IT MAY HELP US PREVENT FUTURE

ATTACKS.

SO IF IT IS IMPEACHABLE FOR THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SEEK A PIECE

OF RELEVANT EVIDENCE, WE'RE IN A

WEIRD, WILD PLACE.

>> Dana: HAVE YOU TALKED TO --

YOU MENTIONED YOU TALKED TO SOME

FORMER DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES.

HAVE ANY OF THEM EXPRESSED TO

YOU THAT THEY HAVE BUYERS

REMORSE ABOUT TAKING THIS

ACTION?

>> NO.

THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T TO ME.

>> Dana: YOU CAN TELL ME.

>> THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T SAY IT

TWHAEU.

I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT

70 DEMOCRATS WANTED TO IMPEACH

HIM BEFORE THE FIRST WORD OF THE

MUELLER REPORT WAS OUT.

>> Dana: RIGHT.

>> THOSE 70 HARDLY OBJECTED.

THEN YOU HAD THE MUELLER GROUP.

NOW YOU GOT THE UKRAINIAN GROUP.

BUT THERE'S A TRANSCRIPT.

I HAVE READ IT MULTIPLE TIMES.

IF THERE'S A SMOKING GUN THERE,

I CAN'T EVEN FIND THE GUN,

WHETHER IT'S SMOKING OR NOT.

CONGRESS IS ENTITLED TO

INVESTIGATE IT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO

ME LIKE LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE

ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT

THE BASE, SO THEY'RE GONNA KICK

IT TO THE HEARING AND LET THAT

JURY SORT IT OUT.