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  • I am angry, confused, hurt, disappointed with church and government leaders

  • because they do not accept me as natural, equal, worthy ...

  • They don't accept you as natural. Is that true?

  • Let's do The Work.

  • They don't accept you as natural, is that true?

  • Yes.

  • They don't accept you as natural. Can you absolutely know that it's true that they don't accept you as natural?

  • Based upon statements. - Is that a yes or a no?

  • We've been here before.

  • Contemplate.

  • You know, a theory hits your head and you swear to it and then you vote it.

  • I'm asking you to consider, they don't consider you as natural.

  • Can you absolutely know that it's true

  • that they don't consider you as natural?

  • No.

  • And for some of you, the answer might be yes.

  • But your answer is the one that counts.

  • And no matter what it is, you just keep moving.

  • There are only four questions. Two to go.

  • How do YOU react when you believe this thought?

  • I feel hopeless. I become angry.

  • I become confused. I resist.

  • Imagine your life without the thought 'They don't accept you as natural'.

  • Light. Carefree.

  • Natural?

  • Natural.

  • You're good.

  • Well, I've got a little experience going for me here.

  • Ok, so, they don't consider you to be natural. Turn it around.

  • I don't accept me as natural.

  • So, I want to know what about you is not natural in your opinion.

  • This really is coming out of denial if there's any in there at all.

  • When I think about it, about what causes stress, the feelings of the challenges and struggles of the gay man seems not natural

  • in the sense of this fight to be accepted. So that seems - Unnatural.

  • Yeah. Why are you defending who you are is the question.

  • It's unnatural, I hear from you. So, why are you defending it?

  • Are you a gay man? - Yes.

  • Thank you. And what is not okay about that?

  • What is unnatural about that in your opinion?

  • Your opinion.

  • The stress that comes with um ... - Believing that other people should accept you?

  • Yeah.

  • I could shift this to places, it would just cut to the chase.

  • But if you trust that Judge-Your-Neighbor Worksheet, it will hit every single thing.

  • It will just, I call it checkmate.

  • The Work is checkmate and that Judge-Your-Neighbor Worksheet is checkmate.

  • If you've filled it in.

  • So, give me an example of 'I don't accept me as natural'.

  • If you're in the habit of defending gay men, that is a difficult question for you and a very important one.

  • Where is that you consider, as a gay man, you consider you not to be natural?

  • There are a lot of gay men that are homophobic.

  • In fact, a lot.

  • Oh, honey.

  • It's just all these visions from since I'm little of how that's just confirmed ...

  • ... of this resistance and fighting.

  • What I feel to be natural.

  • Okay.

  • I mean it, god it's so right-to-the-core.

  • Oh god the countless amounts of pressure and stress.

  • From my father to growing up in Montana where you ...

  • ... gotta be captain of the football team, you gotta be good at sports ...

  • ... you gotta date the cheerleaders and you gotta go hunt and kill big animals ...

  • And uh, and I work so hard to put on this, just this masculine image ...

  • and girls in the church that repeatedly said, "It's unnatural" and how I've lived that for so long ...

  • ... and, as much as I say I'm natural, how badly I judge the gay culture so much and I separate myself ...

  • I look at it as so unnatural that I don't even involve myself in it.

  • I don't date because I'm good, I say ...

  • Oh, God ... so, that's a start.

  • Homophobic.

  • That's, oh, bizarre.

  • All that defense was just to convince yourself.

  • Now, where is it that you consider you unnatural as a gay man?

  • I don't feel like I fit into the stereotype and I fight, I resist so much the stereotype.

  • And I feel like if I get into the stereotype that I've become what everyone ...

  • not everyone, those examples in my life have told me not to be.

  • So, another example of where you consider yourself, as a gay man, unnatural?

  • Um, so, uh, sometimes I feel less of a man that I get labeled a lot as "girls' night out".

  • 'Girls are getting together, let's go'.

  • What group of people say that to you,

  • Oh, family and friends.

  • So, you be them and I'm going to be youwith a little gay pride.

  • So, you're my parents...

  • Um, you know, me and the boys are going to go out hunting and, um, get together and do manly things...

  • ...and you can go hang out with the girls and go shopping, how's that?

  • Uh, you know, actually, I do prefer that. You're always thinking of me.

  • You're always considering who I am, honoring who I am as a gay man.

  • You give me the option of not having to do those things I really don't care about.

  • Which shows me how much you care and listen to me and see me and understand me.

  • I'm much more comfortable this way and I appreciate your caring.

  • So, I just bought a new house and I need an interior decorator ...

  • and although you're color blind, you're gay, so why don't you come decorate my house?

  • Well, you know, actually ... okay, I'm stepping out of the role, now, okay?

  • Are you good at that?

  • No!

  • Okay, so now I'm back in role.

  • Unless they want black and white and gray. I mean, I'm fantastic at that.

  • Well, that's why I was asking, you know?

  • So, actually, I'm colorblind and that's not my skill.

  • But I can look around.

  • You know, I have a network of people going. I can ...

  • Call the gay hotline.

  • Well, actually, I can just call friends. Some of them are gay, some of them aren't gay.

  • I could just say, "I'm not good at that. I don't have that talent but, if I run into someone that does ...

  • ... I'll have them contact you."

  • Um, you know, I know you're single a lot ...

  • ... but maybe if you were to get in shape and have a six pack, you'd probably have a boyfriend and ...

  • ... after two weeks, you could move in together.

  • Well, thank you. Thank you. And I'll think about it.

  • Isn't that what you do?

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • I love this world. You know, it's a world where there are ... people aren't prejudiced ...

  • ... where people respect who I am and care about me. They offer me jobs even ... whether I have the skill for it or not.

  • Good.

  • It's not that I'm good, I'm just not blind.

  • So far, all this prejudice is coming from you.

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • That's really good to know.

  • Yeah.

  • And I've had glimpses of that and just pushed it away.

  • Well, I love that you have a little experience in how to deal with your own mind here.

  • Can you find another Turnaround?

  • I don't accept them as natural.

  • So, I don't accept non-gay people as natural?

  • And I don't accept gay men as natural.

  • They're having fun and you're home criticizing.

  • It's unnatural.

  • I am so backwards in many ways.

  • So, growing up, your father, I think made you go out for football was your ...

  • Yeah.

  • Okay.

  • He made you go out for football, is that true?

  • Um, at the time, it seemed, if I think about it now, that I ultimately chose, but it was ...

  • Ultimately?

  • I chose.

  • Yes, you did.

  • Yes. - And you did it because you wanted something in return. What was it?

  • Approval. - Yeah, how are you doing?

  • Oh, God, now I should be captain.

  • And make out with that girl.

  • It's natural for a gay man to make out with a girl, for your father's approval.

  • That is ridiculous.

  • Just lists and things that I've done to change to be natural.

  • And that is why it's such a perfect set-up:

  • Sooner or later, it starts to add up that you're not going to get the approval that you're seeking.

  • And, when you get that, you come to see that you've already got it.

  • Can you find an example for that turnaround?

  • I don't accept them as natural.

  • Give me an example of where you don't experience gay men as natural.

  • When they are out there doing the thing you don't approve of.

  • I, it appears to me a lot of the time that some might even get caught up in this image of what 'gay' means and I find myself ...

  • You mean like you've been doing all your life?

  • Yep. And I know it's different, but ...

  • Yeah and, um, it just seems so inauthentic yet I've been inauthentic.

  • You have your way. Everyone has their way. Everyone's doing the best that they can. - Yeah.

  • It's not easy. - Yeah. - But, it's more difficult not to.

  • Absolutely.

  • Can you find another turnaround?

  • I see them as natural.

  • As a gay man, I'm seeing me as natural.

  • So, what is natural about being a gay man?

  • It's the way I am. It's just me.

  • That's one.

  • I get a lot of compliments on my hair.

  • That's two.

  • Let's go with another example.

  • Anyone gay in the audience or has a gay family member or friends?

  • An example of what is natural about being a gay man.

  • My son and his partner are very, very loving to each other.

  • And that seems ...

  • Natural.

  • Wish I had babies from himgrand babies. But, you know, they love each other and they're kind to each other.

  • That's more than a lot of people I know are in their relationships.

  • I have gay friendsreal friendsthey have children. They're theirs. And it could be just not your son's desire.

  • Yeah.

  • But you can campaign.

  • Oh, I'll keep that in mind.

  • You know, grandmother rights.

  • They don't go far. Don't expect anything, but ...

  • I would bet that you didn't wake up one day and choose to be gay any more than I chose to be heterosexual.

  • Yes.

  • Right? I don't choose who I'm attracted to.

  • I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and, to me, that's as natural as it gets.

  • What have you heard against thatbeing gay?

  • It's against God, it's evil, um you know, it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, um ...

  • Exit only.

  • Just some of those.

  • So, so, one way to lose your homophobia is to put all those things on a list and Work every single one of them.

  • Until you just, you love yourself and everything about you.

  • When that's accomplished, you love us too. No matter how silly we used to look to you, you understand.

  • Yes.

  • I love men and men's bodies, so why wouldn't you?

  • She's got a good point there.

  • Got a really good point there.

  • My family and I grew up in the same type of situation I'm sure that you did ...

  • and my brother and his partner have been together for thirty years.

  • and it's kind of funny because me and my two sisters are all divorced ...

  • and my brother is the only one that has a long-term relationship.

  • So, I ... - How unnatural.

  • So, I think, I think the problem is is you're natural because you're living who you want to be ...

  • ... and it's unnatural for us to expect anything different from you.

  • Mmm.

  • Good stuff.

  • So, what is one of the things you have heard about gay men that has been like a knife in your heart?

  • Um, it's something that I revisit a lot and, um ...

  • ... the relationship has changed a lot with my mother but she made a comment once and, um ...

  • I'm the youngest, so I watched my brothers and sister, you know, go through so many mistakes that they made ...

  • ... according to my parents, and then my mom one time said, she's like ...

  • "After everything that your brothers and sister have put me through, after everything they've done ...

  • ... from I mean everything, um, the biggest disappointment would be if one of my kids were gay.

  • ... and I was all: [demonstrates with facial expression].

  • Well, we're not having that conversation today.

  • And, it's that same thing that I hear from so many different aspects of 'disappointment' ...

  • ... or 'not accepting' or ...

  • So, she said, "That would be the biggest disappointment." ?

  • Mmm hmm.

  • Okay, you hear that?

  • That's what she said. Now, who believed it?

  • I did.

  • So, where was the problem?

  • Me.

  • That's magical.

  • Yeah. - It's like: she said it; that's not a problem.

  • The moment you believed it, it became a problem.

  • So, what your mother said, is that a problem?

  • I just realized how much I make my mom suffer because of that comment. To this, oh, god ...

  • ... like fifteen years.

  • I say that I love my mom, I'm mom's little baby and when she calls me I get irritated, every time she calls me.

  • I just, I bet it's that.

  • I think you're right.

  • In fact she, she says, "You're my baby" and she means it with all her heart

  • and you remember that one, the moment you believed what she said.

  • she didn't believe it: she found out you were gay and you're her baby!

  • But you believed it, and in that moment, hell is created.

  • And separation from your mother, she's doing fine. You're the one with a problem.

  • Yeah.

  • Does she sound disappointed to you?

  • No. She's almost too overbearing with ...

  • She talks about me way too much to too many people and I hear about it.

  • Yeah, she's sure disappointed.

  • Yeah.

  • Okay sweetheart, so, the most painful thing, like the knife in your heart, what's that?

  • ... and it is not a problem.

  • The moment you believed it, it became your property. It really wasn't even hers, it was something she was playing around with.

  • Good to know, isn't it?

  • It's really good to know.

  • Yeah ...

  • Not to be your mama's baby, not to give her that hurts you.

  • I mean, you're her baby.

  • That's how she sees you.

  • But because you believed that, you can't have that intimate relationship with her.

  • And so I invite you to ask her if you haven't already, "Mom, are you disappointed that I'm gay?"

  • Let's hear the next one.

  • Um, they do not accept me as worthy.

  • Is that true?

  • No.

  • Turn it around.

  • I do not accept me as worthy.

  • As a gay man, where is it that you're not worthy?

  • I oftentimes tell myself I'm not worthy of another man's love.

  • You are not worthy of another man's love. Is that true?

  • No.

  • What happens to your life when you believe the thought 'I'm not worthy of another man's love'?

  • Alone.

  • And who would you be without the thought?

  • Worthy.

  • So, 'I'm not worthy of another man's love'. Turn it around.

  • I am worthy of another man's love?

  • Give me an example. Why would that be true?

  • You know, without these examples, you know, we're just, turn it around: 'I am worthy of another man's love' ...

  • 'Oh, okay'. 'Oh, I get it'. No, you don't.

  • Sit in it. Examples. You'd have no idea who you are!

  • So, open your mind to it. What is it about you that you find worthy?

  • You're another man, let's ask you.

  • What is it about you that you find worthy?

  • I'm courageous, loving, and inspiring.

  • Aren't those the qualities that you want in a partner?

  • Yeah.

  • So, if those are the qualities you want in a partner, and you've got those qualities ...

  • ... that does make you worthy of another man's love.

  • And if another man doesn't appreciate them, you do.

  • Nice to identify.

  • Yeah.

  • So, the next one:

  • In that situation, I want these people to not just say they love or have Christ-like love, but actually show love ...

  • ... be open, accepting, loving, more conscious, and stop spreading and preaching hate.

  • You don't ask for much.

  • You know, when you consider what you have believed, in the face of all evidence with your mother ...

  • ... you expect people's minds to switch, I mean we're doing like a surgery up here.

  • And you expect their minds just to switch like 'that'...

  • Not likely.

  • So let's see where there is some hope, turn it around.

  • I want myself to not just say that I love or have Christ-like love but actually show love.

  • I want to be open, accepting, loving, more conscious, and stop spreading and preaching hate.

  • Isn't that truer?

  • Yeah.

  • Read it the way you just did, again.

  • I want to not just say that I have love or Christ-like love, I want to show love ...

  • I want to be open, accepting, more loving, more conscious, and stop spreading and preaching hate.

  • That would be you.

  • That would be you. Don't you love those qualities?

  • Yeah.

  • I do too.

  • And to stop spreading hate in your own head about gays who come out in their own way ...

  • ... did the best way they can with what they've got going inside of them.

  • And straights, those people, those church people and those governments.

  • When you consider what you've been believing, it's not so, you're asking them to give up their entire identity.

  • For an identity I haven't even accepted of myself.

  • Yes, wow. That's great. The next one?

  • These people should accept all people.

  • Is that true?

  • No.

  • How do you react when you believe this thought?

  • Become defensive.

  • And fight.

  • And then feel guilt about it.

  • Yeah. Lots of that.

  • Yeah, who would you be without this thought?

  • In my own business.

  • Living your life.

  • Connecting with people.

  • That would be you at your best. The example we're all waiting for.

  • Turn it around?

  • These people should not accept all people.

  • They should not. Why? Get real with it. Why?

  • You couldn't accept that your mother is not disappointed in you.

  • You couldn't break through it because you didn't even know it was there.

  • They're the same way. Your demands are not realistic.

  • Good, it's dawning?

  • Yeah.

  • It's like walking through saying 'don't believe what you believe, don't believe what you believe, believe what I believe'.

  • People have to believe what they believe.

  • Yeah. - Until they don't.

  • What happens to you when someone says, 'Don't believe what you believe'?

  • I believe it even more.

  • And I find ways to prove it.

  • So expect it.

  • When you try to change anther person's mind. Expect it. - Okay. - Okay? Next.

  • Um, in that situation, I need these people to stay in their business, be accepting, and love all people.

  • Hopeless, hopeless, hopeless. Turn it around?

  • I need to stay in my own business, accept and love all people.

  • Feel that one. Isn't that what you want?

  • Yeah.

  • That other, that's not it. When you get it, you don't believe it. - Yeah.

  • So this turnaround is as good as it's ever going to get in this world, just one human being awake.

  • Yeah.

  • Next one.

  • In that situation, these people are hateful, mean, shallow, arrogant, dangerous, damaging, closed-minded and creating pain.

  • They're creating pain, what do you mean by that?

  • I meant um having a lot of influence and saying things perhaps people that are vulnerable will accept that as true ...

  • ... and then it causes suffering.

  • So they're creating pain, is that true?

  • No.

  • Do you get it?

  • Yeah, because we only, if those people accept the pain or perceive it as pain then that was their choice.

  • If they believe what those people are telling them, they have created their own pain.

  • So you be responsible for what you believe and the rest of us will do our best.

  • And that's as good as it's ever going to get.

  • But if you really get this down, you'll influence a lot of people and that is the best example that could ever walk this earth.

  • A person that thinks for themselves, that takes responsibility for themselves ...

  • ... and, in a sense, when you're living out of your heart these turnarounds are very powerful.

  • Living your prescription for us, what you have wanted us to live, you living them, I mean that's, that's it.

  • You have some wonderful examples of that that have walked the earth, we're still talking about them.

  • And it's within your grasp, it's within your grasp.

  • Next one.

  • I don't ever want to feel less-than, not good enough, not equal, like a prisoner, judged ...

  • ... to see those that are different hurt or have rights taken away.

  • I'm willing to.

  • I'm willing to feel less-than, not good enough, not equal, like a prisoner, judged ...

  • ... to see those that are different hurt and have their rights taken away.

  • Yeah, because that would be a very confusing hurtful moment ...

  • ... and you're the cause of the pain, you're a believer, so you would identify what you're believing and wake you up.

  • So, I look forward to.

  • I look forward. - Exciting, isn't it?

  • It's different. - Mmm hmm.

  • I look forward to feeling less-than, not good enough, not equal, like a prisoner ...

  • Because it shows you where your mind is still a believer.

  • Yeah. - Where it's still believing things that are not true for you. Stress is a signal for that.

  • It's not an enemy, it's a friend that says like, it's like that little temple bell saying, "Wake up, you're asleep."

  • Like a little alarm clock.

  • Continue to read.

  • I look forward to seeing those that are different hurt and have their rights taken away.

  • Tell me about that.

  • That's a challenge. - People say, for example, they take your right to marry away ...

  • ... and that is the law. You cannot marry, is that true?

  • No and, in fact, during lunch when I was ...

  • You got married over lunch?

  • That's how us gays work, we meet, and boom.

  • Um, I realized at lunch, if the right to marry had not been taken away ...

  • ... how would I learn, how is a way for me to learn to appreciate a commitment between two people ...

  • ... regardless of a piece of paper?

  • Wow.

  • So, thank you.

  • I am one hundred percent there. It's like I married Stephen, I assume he married me ...

  • ... and we were married in front of, a friend of ours' father was a judge in Los Angeles ...

  • ... and we were married in that courthouse on his last day of work there ...

  • ... but because there's a paper and he signed it, it doesn't mean he married me.

  • But what I know is I married him and the paper was ridiculous.

  • That's what we do here unless we don't ...

  • So you've got the option for the real deal and that is with or without paper.

  • That's a beautiful thing.

  • What else around losing your rights.

  • Um, rights as far as being able to make decisions for loved ones.

  • You cannot make decisions for loved ones.

  • Legally in certain situations.

  • And you can't, it's against the law, you cannot make decisions for your loved ones, is that true?

  • Some decisions.

  • Like what?

  • Um, like medical. If they can't speak for themselves or whatever, I wouldn't be able to

  • Is that true?

  • Can you absolutely know that it's true you wouldn't be able to?

  • No, because I haven't been in that situation.

  • And how do you react when you believe that thought when you're fantasizing?

  • It kind of infuriates me.

  • So does that thought bring peace or stress into your life?

  • Stress.

  • Who would you be without the thought while you're in a relationship and you want to marry and it's illegal ...

  • Who would you be without the thought 'I cannot legally make these life-and-death situations for my partner'.

  • How does it affect your relationship?

  • It brings up a feeling of being trapped or being inadequate.

  • And you both start to scare each other.

  • It starts to weaken the fabric ofthat's what fear does.

  • I wouldn't be able to make those life and death decisions legally, turn it around.

  • I would be able to make those decisions legally?

  • So give me an example of how that might be true.

  • I would be able to make life and death decisions for my partner.

  • I would just make the decisions regardless of how the law viewed it.

  • You would do your best and people would listen or not. - Yeah.

  • You'd be amazed who people are once you know yourself.

  • How do you react when you believe the thought? You've threatened the very happiness of your life.

  • Mmm hmm.

  • Your marriage.

  • Understand? - Yeah. - Okay.

  • So, any thoughts around this?

  • Power of attorney. - Power of attorney. Any other examples?

  • Go to another state. - Go to another state. Any other examples?

  • Have agreements with family. - The laws may change. - The laws may change.

  • What are you experiencing with this, beautiful Mary?

  • What are you experiencing with this, beautiful Mary? What are you experiencing with this, beautiful Mary?

  • Awesome, authentic, handsome, natural.

  • So, I think you're worthy of a relationship.

  • Thank you, precious.

  • I think you're worthy of a relationship.

  • When you believe your thoughts, you're boxed-in. When your mind opens, there's unlimited possibilities.

  • Yes? - Well, I am a gay man and it's even hard for me to say that in this group ...

  • ... because I was adopted into a Mormon family and so much of that story resonated with me.

  • Yeah. - So, but I couldn't help but think, is it when I was believing my thoughts, my family was completely away.

  • I'm excited for this man because, as he accepts himself, at a much younger age than me ...

  • ... then he has all this time to do what I've done and rediscover my family ...

  • ... and it's only been since I accepted myself as who I am that I feel more love, more fulfillmentit's amazing.

  • Thank you.

  • Yeah, it's so empowering and what you've done is you came out, you spoke a truth and it shifts everything.

  • So it's really not about our sexuality, is it? It's about the power of truth. That's it for every human being.

  • And we would all be the change we want in the world if we were not believing the thoughts ...

  • ... those thoughts we're believing that override our goodness and naturalness.

  • So we question them and it leaves these amazing revelations. It's self-induced epiphanies.

I am angry, confused, hurt, disappointed with church and government leaders

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