Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles WITH THE FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON. >> Dana: HAVE A GOOD TIME DOWN THERE. THANK YOU. LET'S BRING IN TREY GOWDY, FORMER HOUSE OVERSIGHT CHAIRMAN AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. GREAT TO HAVE YOU. LET ME START BY ASKING DO YOU AGREE WITH THE WHITE HOUSE THAT IT'S UNTENABLE FOR THE SPEAKER TO HOLD THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AT THE HOUSE AND NEVER SEND THEM TO THE SENATE? >> IF HE REALLY IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE REPUBLIC, IF HE REALLY IS COMMITTED CONDUCT THAT SHOULD RESULT IN HIS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT GO AHEAD AND SEND IT ON TO THE SENATE? THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE HOUSE NO ROLE IN DECIDING HOW THE TRIAL TAKES PLACE. IT'S EXCLUSIVELY WITHIN THE PROVINCE OF THE SENATE. I THINK MOST OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS WILL SEE THROUGH THIS LET'S HURRY UP AND IMPEACH HIM AND THEN SIT ON THE INDICTMENT FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH IT. >> Dana: ONE OF THE THINGS SHE IS SAYING IS THAT THE SENATE AND MITCH McCONNELL HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT IT COULD BE A FAIR TRIAL. LISTEN TO SENATOR DICK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS. >> THINGS HAVE GONE TOO FAR. HOW CAN THEY HOLD THEIR HANDS UP AND SAY I SWEAR IMPARTIAL JUSTICE THAN I WOULD LIKE TO SIT AT THE MANAGERS TABLE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S TEAM? YOU CAN'T DO IT. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. >> Dana: MAJORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL WAS OUT AND ABOUT THIS MORNING AND THIS IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. >> ON THE IMPARTIALITY ISSUE, DO YOU THINK CHUCK SCHUMER IS IMPARTIAL? DO YOU THINK ELSBETH WARREN IS IMPARTIAL, BERNIE SANDERS? LET'S QUIT THE CHARADE. IT'S A POLITICAL EXERCISE. POLITICAL EXERCISE. ALL I'M ASKING OF SCHUMER IS THAT WE TREAT TRUMP THE SAME WAY WE TREATED CLINTON. >> Dana: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN ALL OF THIS IS THE LANGUAGE IS THE SAME. YOU'VE TRIED CASES IN COURTROOMS WHERE THE TRIAL LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT A SENATE TRIAL WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> I WISH THIS WERE A JUDICIAL PROCEEDING BUT KEEP IN MIND IF IT WERE, ADAM SCHIFF WOULD NOT OF BEEN LEADING THE INVESTIGATION. 60 HOUSE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS FOR THE FIRST SYLLABLE OF THE MUELLER REPORT. ERIC SWALWELL INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS TRYING TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT. YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT IN A REAL JUDICIAL PROCEEDING. I WISH IT WERE LIKE A JUDICIAL PROCEEDING. IT'S NOT. THE JURY HAS ALREADY MADE UP ITS MIND. EVEN DICK DURBIN WHO IS NOW CALLING FOR IMPARTIALITY, HAS ALREADY PASSED JUDGMENT ON THE CREDIBILITY THE WITNESSES. HE SAID THE PRESIDENT CONDUCT WAS BENEATH THE DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE AND HE WAS INCREDIBLE HE TROUBLED BY IT. THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE AN IMPARTIAL, OBJECTIVE, DISPASSIONATE JUROR. HOW MANY OF THE SENATORS, HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE JURY ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING TO TAKE DONALD TRUMP'S JOB? HE WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT IN A REAL JUDICIAL PROCEEDING. MITCH McCONNELL IS RIGHT. THIS IS A POLITICAL TRIAL, NOT A JUDICIAL TRIAL. IF IT WERE A JUDICIAL TRIAL, NONE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED UP TO THIS POINT ROAD TAKEN PLACE. >> Dana: WE HAD THE HOROWITZ REPORT. VERY CRITICAL OF THE FBI AND PUTTING IN DOUBT THE FUTURE OF FISA AND THE FISA COURT. TAKE A LISTEN TO LINDSEY GRAHAM YESTERDAY ON THAT ISSUE. >> WE ARE GOING TO LOOK LONG AND HARD AT FISA ABUSE. WE ARE GOING TO PASS LAWS TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. ACCOUNTABILITY WILL ONLY BE SUCCESSFUL IF SOMEBODY GETS FIRED AND I AM LOOKING AT CHRISTOPHER WRAY TO FIRE SOMEBODY AT THE FBI. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL AND I'M LOOKING AT DURHAM THE WHOLE PEOPLE CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LOSS THEY BROKE. >> Dana: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO FISA? DO YOU THINK IT'S STILL A NECESSARY TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT? >> I DO THINK IT'S A NECESSARY TOOL. I THINK THE POLICIES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE IMPLEMENTING THEM. 2018 HOUSE REPUBLICANS WROTE THE FISA COURT AND WE ALSO RAISED ISSUES WITH THE PROCESS. THE D.C. MEDIA SAID IN THERE, THE CRAZY HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FISA. DONALD TRUMP ON THE MORNING WE WERE GOING TO VOTE TO REAUTHORIZE THE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM SENT OUT A VERY NEGATIVE TWEET WHICH REQUIRED POMPEO TO RUN TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND TRY TO FIX IT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE ALREADY SKITTISH ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS. IF THE COURT AND THE MEDIA AND THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT TAKE HORWITZ'S REPORT SERIOUSLY. LINDSEY GRAHAM MAY BE THE MOST HAWKISH MEMBER OF THE SENATE WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL SECURITY. IF HE IS TROUBLED BY IT, THEN IMAGINE WHERE RAND PAUL AND SOME OF THE OTHER REPUBLICANS. >> Dana: LET'S GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT JOHN DURHAM, U.S. ATTORNEY TASKED WITH THE OVERALL REPORT OF THE WHOLE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND HOW IT BEGAN. HE DOESN'T JUST LOOK AT DOJ. HE LOOKS ACROSS THE BOARD AT THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND MORE. THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" TODAY BASICALLY QUESTIONING SHOULD HAVE WAITED ON THE HOROWITZ REPORT AND ATTORNEY KEVIN O'CONNOR, YOU MIGHT KNOW HIM. HE IS FROM CONNECTICUT. HE SAID IT'S FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE WHAT JOHN DURHAM DID AS UNUSUAL IN TERMS OF ITS PAST PRACTICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS BUT I KNOW JOHN WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW HE DID IT BECAUSE HE, NOT THE AG OR ANYONE ELSE, THOUGHT HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO. THIS WAS WHEN DURHAM SAID I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE OR DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE HOROWITZ REPORT HE WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. YOUR THOUGHTS. >> I THINK PROSECUTORS ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT. YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY OF YOUR INVESTIGATION WHICH YOU CAN ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO PERSUADE THE PUBLIC TO BE IMPRINTED IN THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS BEFORE YOU ISSUE THE REPORT. IT'S A CLOSE CALL. KEEP IN MIND HORWITZ, BARR, AND DURHAM. THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY ARE STAYING IS MEASURED IN INCHES, NOT YARDS. ORAL WEIGHTS SAYING THERE WAS ENOUGH TO LAUNCH A FULL INVESTIGATION. DURHAM IS SAYING IT WAS ENOUGH TO START A LIMITED INVESTIGATION BUT NOT THE FULL INVESTIGATION AND BARR IS SAYING I'M NOT SURE IT WAS ENOUGH TO DO THAT. THIS IS A DRUNKEN CONVERSATION IN A BAR. THE THRESHOLD TO START AN INVESTIGATION IS EXCEEDINGLY LOW. THESE THREE GUYS ALL OF WHOM I HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR JUST VIEWING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PAUCITY OF EVIDENCE WAS ENOUGH TO DO WHAT THEY DID. >> Dana: BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT ABOUT BEING MEASURED IN INCHES AND NOT YARDS. IT IS FOOTBALL SEASON AFTER ALL
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