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  • STEVE: WE HAVE BEEN TELLING

  • YOU ABOUT THIS STORY FOR

  • MONTHS.

  • THE MAN CHARGED WITH

  • MURDERING HIS ESTRANGED WIFE

  • IS NOW ON HOUSE ARREST.

  • FLOTUS DULOS RELEASED ON

  • $6 MILLION BOND IN THE STATE

  • OF CONNECTICUT JUST DAYS

  • AFTER HE WAS CHARGED WITH

  • HER MURDER.

  • DULOS' EX-GIRLFRIEND AND HIS

  • FORMER ATTORNEY HAVE ALSO

  • BOTH BEEN CHARGED WITH

  • CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER.

  • BUT THE BODY OF JENNIFER

  • DULOS HAS YET TO BE FOUND.

  • WHERE IS SHE?

  • AND IF SHE IS DEAD, CAN

  • PROSECUTORS SECURE A

  • CONVICTION WITHOUT THE BODY?

  • JOINING US RIGHT NOW WITH

  • INSIGHT, FORENSIC

  • PATHOLOGIST AND FOX NEWS

  • CONTRIBUTOR DR. MICHAEL

  • BADEN.

  • >> HOW DO YOU DO?

  • GOOD TO SEE YOU.

  • STEVE: OKAY.

  • THEY PRESUMED SHE IS DEAD.

  • THEY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF

  • EVIDENCE, D.N.A. EVIDENCE OF

  • HER BLOOD.

  • >> THAT'S RIGHT.

  • HER BLOOD AND HIS BLOOD BOTH

  • FOUND IN HER HOUSE AND IN

  • HER CAR AND ON THE CLOTHING

  • AND ALL THAT WAS DUMPED IN

  • VARIOUS GARBAGE CANS.

  • SO APPARENTLY THE MEDICAL

  • EXAMINER IN CONNECTICUT HAS

  • ALREADY SAID THAT THERE WAS

  • ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT SHE WAS

  • BLEEDING SUFFICIENTLY TO BE

  • A CAUSE OF DEATH.

  • AND THAT HE WAS THE ONLY

  • PERSON WITH HER WHILE SHE

  • WAS BLEEDING.

  • SHE WAS WITH HIM.

  • NOT THE ONLY PERSON BUT HIS

  • D.N.A. IS THERE I THINK IN

  • THIS KIND OF SITUATION THEY

  • HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE, EVEN

  • IF THEY DON'T FIND THE BODY

  • AND EVEN IF THERE ISN'T

  • BLOOD ON THAT, THEY HAVE AN

  • AX WITH SOME BLOOD ON IT

  • THEY ARE TESTING.

  • WE DON'T NOTE RESULTS OF IT.

  • EVEN IF THAT BLOOD DOESN'T

  • TURN OUT TO BE HERS, THEY

  • HAVE GOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE AS

  • SHOWN IN THE INDICTMENT.

  • STEVE: RIGHT.

  • A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED

  • IT HAS TAKEN THIS LONG

  • BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD THAT

  • EVIDENCE FOR A WHILE.

  • NOW WE HEAR THAT HIS FORMER

  • ATTORNEY HAS BEEN CHARGED AS

  • WELL.

  • APPARENTLY HIS CELL PHONE

  • PING ADD TOWER ON MAY 31st

  • NEAR THE WINDSOR ROD AND GUN

  • CLUB WHERE HUNTERS FOUND A

  • HOLE DUG INTO THE GROUND.

  • WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

  • >> THAT'S BIZARRE THAT

  • APPARENTLY HIS FRIEND, THE

  • LAWYER, DUG A GRAVE.

  • AND THEN THEY COVERED IT UP.

  • BUT WHEN THE POLICE WENT

  • INTO THAT AREA, THEY FOUND

  • THAT THERE HAD BEEN A HOLE

  • DUG BUT THERE WAS NO BODY

  • THERE.

  • STEVE: OKAY.

  • SO WE WILL KEEP PEOPLE

  • POSTED ON THE DULOS CASE.

  • IN THE MEANTIME, WE ALSO SAW

  • YOU ON "60 MINUTES" TALKING

  • ABOUT THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN

  • CASE.

  • NOW, THE NEWS OVERNIGHT IS

  • APPARENTLY REMEMBER THERE

  • WAS NO VIDEO APPARENTLY OF

  • THE CELL THE NIGHT IN

  • QUESTION, THE FIRST SUICIDE

  • ATTEMPT AND THEN THEY SAID

  • OH, WE FOUND IT, NEVER MIND.

  • AND THEN YESTERDAY WE

  • DISCOVERED THAT APPARENTLY

  • THE VIDEO THAT THEY SAY IS

  • FROM THE WRONG CAMERA.

  • >> THERE WAS A HOLD PUT ON

  • THE VIDEO AT THE TIME THAT

  • THERE WAS THE QUESTIONABLE

  • SUICIDE ATTEMPT.

  • THE CELL MATE SAYS HE TRIED

  • TO COMMIT SUICIDE BUT HE

  • TOLD LAWYERS, EPSTEIN, THAT

  • NO, HE WAS ASSAULTED.

  • STEVE: BY HIS ROOMMATE.

  • >> PRESUMABLY BY THE CELL

  • MATE, YES.

  • AND THEN THE LAWYER, HIS

  • LAWYER, THE ROOMMATE'S

  • LAWYER PUT A HOLD ON THE

  • VIDEOTAPE.

  • THEY WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE

  • VIDEO WAS.

  • THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE

  • SAVED THAT VIDEO FROM THE

  • FIRST INCIDENT.

  • DID ANYBODY ELSE COME INTO

  • THE ROOM?

  • AND THEY TOLD THE JUDGE THEY

  • DIDN'T HAVE IT AND THEN THEY

  • SAID THEY DID HAVE IT.

  • AND NOW IT'S LIKE A TERRIBLE

  • WAY TO RUN A PRISON.

  • STEVE: NO KIDDING.

  • BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE THE

  • PERFECT STORM.

  • ALL THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW,

  • THE EMTs COME IN.

  • THEY SEE THE DEAD BODY.

  • THEY PICK HIM UP.

  • THEY DON'T TAKE ANY

  • PICTURES.

  • THEY TAKE HIM TO THE

  • HOSPITAL.

  • AS IS DEPICTED IN THE "60

  • MINUTES" ARTICLE.

  • THE ITEM, WHY DID HE HANG

  • HIMSELF WITH A SHEET WHEN

  • THERE ARE A BUNCH OF SLEEP

  • APNEA MACHINES WITH CORDS

  • AROUND.

  • COULD HAVE DONE IT WITH THAT

  • MUCH QUICKER.

  • >> ANT THE SHEET, THES

  • >> ANT THE SHEET, THE NOOSE

  • FROM THE ORANGE SHEET THAT

  • HE HAD DOESN'T MATCH THE

  • LIGATURE MARK ON THE NECK.

  • STEVE: RIGHT.

  • YOU SHOWED THAT USUALLY WITH

  • THIS KIND OF THING THE MARK

  • IS NOT IN THE CENTERS OF THE

  • NECK AS IT IS ON THE AUTOPSY

  • PICTURE BUT, INSTEAD IT'S

  • MUCH HIGHER.

  • >> IN A HANGING THE LIGATURE

  • GOES UP UNDER THE JAWBONE.

  • THE MANDIBLE.

  • HERE IT WAS DOWN LOWER.

  • MORE LIKE A GAROT THE KIND

  • OF THING THEY DO ON THE

  • MAFIA CARS.

  • TIGHT CRUSHING OF THE NECK

  • THAT CRUSHES THREE DIFFERENT

  • BONES IN THE NECK, WHICH IS

  • EXTREMELY UNUSUAL IN

  • HANGING.

  • STEVE: A COUPLE MONTHS AGO

  • YOU WERE ON THIS SHOW AND

  • YOU TOLD US AND YOU

  • ELECTRIFIED THE WORLD BY

  • SAYING WHAT YOU SAW.

  • AND YOU WERE HIRED BY THE

  • EPSTEIN FAMILY TO SUPERVISE

  • AND REVIEW THE AUTOPSY.

  • >> RIGHT.

  • STEVE: THAT IT LOOKED LIKE

  • IT WAS A HOMICIDE.

  • NOT A SUICIDE.

  • AND PEOPLE ARE GOING, YEAH.

  • IF DR. BADEN SAYS THAT

  • BECAUSE IT'S SO RARE FOR

  • THIS TO HAPPEN THERE ARE ALL

  • THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WENT

  • WRONG THAT NIGHT.

  • TO SO MANY PEOPLE IT LOOKS

  • LIKE HE GOT WHACKED IN JAIL.

  • >> THAT IS CERTAINLY A

  • POSSIBILITY.

  • AND THE -- THERE SHOULD BE

  • SOME TRANSPARENCY.

  • WHAT DID THE TWO GUARDS SEE

  • WHEN THEY WENT IN THE CELL

  • AND FOUND HIM DEAD?

  • WHAT DID THE EMT PEOPLE SEE?

  • WHAT DID THEY PUT ON THEIR

  • RECORD?

  • THE HOSPITAL THAT HE WAS

  • BROUGHT TO.

  • RERELEASED AND ALL OF THAT

  • WILL HELP DETERMINE WHETHER

  • HE DIED OF SUICIDE OR

  • HOMICIDE.

  • STEVE: WE KNOW WHAT YOU

  • THINK.

  • >> I THINK JUST RIGHT NOW

  • FROM THE MEDICAL STUFF

  • AUTOPSY POINTING MORE TO

  • HOMICIDE.

  • BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO GET ALL

  • THE INFORMATION BEFORE

  • MAKING A FINAL DECISION.

  • STEVE: NO KIDDING.

  • ALL RIGHT.

  • DR. BADEN, THANK YOU VERY

  • MUCH.

  • >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, STEVE.

STEVE: WE HAVE BEEN TELLING

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