CITIZENS UNITED, WHICH ALLOWS BILLIONAIRES TO BUY ELECTIONS.

BILLIONAIRES TO BUY ELECTIONS. >> BERNIE SANDERS FROM TONIGHT.

>> BERNIE SANDERS FROM TONIGHT. CHRIS MATTHEWS, IN ADDITION TO

CHRIS MATTHEWS, IN ADDITION TO HIS DUTIES IN THE SPIN ROOM, HAS

HIS DUTIES IN THE SPIN ROOM, HAS BEEN WATCHING AND THINKING ABOUT

BEEN WATCHING AND THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS.

ALL THIS. CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT

CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION WE’VE BEEN

THIS CONVERSATION WE’VE BEEN HAVING UP HERE IN NEW YORK?

HAVING UP HERE IN NEW YORK? >> WELL, I THINK THERE’S A

>> WELL, I THINK THERE’S A COUPLE THINGS THAT STRIKE ME,

COUPLE THINGS THAT STRIKE ME, BUT WHEN LIEUTENANT COLONEL

BUT WHEN LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN WAS IN THE HEARING AND

VINDMAN WAS IN THE HEARING AND HE TALKED ABOUT AMERICA IS A

HE TALKED ABOUT AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHERE RIGHT MATTERS, AND

COUNTRY WHERE RIGHT MATTERS, AND I -- AND I THOUGHT, THAT KIND OF

I -- AND I THOUGHT, THAT KIND OF IMMIGRANT PATRIOTISM IS

IMMIGRANT PATRIOTISM IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES NOT

SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES NOT HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH LEFT VERSUS

HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH LEFT VERSUS RIGHT.

RIGHT. IT’S SORT OF A FEELING ABOUT THE

IT’S SORT OF A FEELING ABOUT THE COUNTRY.

COUNTRY. YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE RADICAL

YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE RADICAL CHANGE TO THIS COUNTRY, LIKE

CHANGE TO THIS COUNTRY, LIKE WOODY GUTHRIE, THIS LAND IS OUR

WOODY GUTHRIE, THIS LAND IS OUR LAND, KATE SMITH WITH GOD BLESS

LAND, KATE SMITH WITH GOD BLESS AMERICA, BUT THERE HAS TO BE

AMERICA, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SORT OF A PEACE THERE ABOUT

SORT OF A PEACE THERE ABOUT AMERICA AND YOUR AFFECTION FOR

AMERICA AND YOUR AFFECTION FOR THE COUNTRY, YOU START WITH IT

THE COUNTRY, YOU START WITH IT AND YOU WORK FROM THAT TO FIX

AND YOU WORK FROM THAT TO FIX IT.

IT. AND I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT SOME

AND I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT CHOICE, SAME

OF THE ISSUES ABOUT CHOICE, SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ALL, I THINK

SEX MARRIAGE AND ALL, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ALWAYS MISS THE

THE DEMOCRATS ALWAYS MISS THE CULTURAL PIECE.

CULTURAL PIECE. THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE ECONOMICS,

THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE ECONOMICS, BUT THEY MISS THE CULTURAL

BUT THEY MISS THE CULTURAL PIECE, THE -- AND HOW PEOPLE

PIECE, THE -- AND HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THINGS.

FEEL ABOUT THINGS. I MEAN, I CAN BE -- I’VE BEEN

I MEAN, I CAN BE -- I’VE BEEN PRO CHOICE SINCE ROE V. WADE WAS

PRO CHOICE SINCE ROE V. WADE WAS A COURT DECISION, BUT I HAVE A

A COURT DECISION, BUT I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT ABORTION

DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT ABORTION THAN OTHER PEOPLE DO.

THAN OTHER PEOPLE DO. I THINK PELOSI DOES, TOO.

I THINK PELOSI DOES, TOO. I THINK PENNSYLVANIA IS PRO LIFE

I THINK PENNSYLVANIA IS PRO LIFE IN A WAY THAT’S PRETTY REAL, AND

IN A WAY THAT’S PRETTY REAL, AND I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE

I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS TRUMP WON UP THERE.

REASONS TRUMP WON UP THERE. TRUMP IS A CHARLATAN, BUT HE

TRUMP IS A CHARLATAN, BUT HE PLAYS ON THESE CULTURAL ISSUES.

PLAYS ON THESE CULTURAL ISSUES. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. THEY’RE HONEST FEELINGS BUT HE

THEY’RE HONEST FEELINGS BUT HE EXPLOITS THEM AND DISTORTS THEM.

EXPLOITS THEM AND DISTORTS THEM. I THINK AFFECTION AND PATRIOTIC

I THINK AFFECTION AND PATRIOTIC FEELING ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND

FEELING ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND FEELING ABOUT LIFE AND CHOICE

FEELING ABOUT LIFE AND CHOICE AND TRADITIONAL VALUES, IF YOU

AND TRADITIONAL VALUES, IF YOU WILL, DEMOCRATS ARE VERY COLD

WILL, DEMOCRATS ARE VERY COLD ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND I THINK

ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND I THINK THEY REALLY MISS A CHANCE TO WIN

THEY REALLY MISS A CHANCE TO WIN BY SIMPLY IDENTIFYING WITH THE

BY SIMPLY IDENTIFYING WITH THE FEELINGS OF THE COUNTRY BETTER

FEELINGS OF THE COUNTRY BETTER THAN THEY DO.

THAN THEY DO. I CAUGHT IT AGAIN TONIGHT WITH

I CAUGHT IT AGAIN TONIGHT WITH BERNIE SANDERS SAYING THE

BERNIE SANDERS SAYING THE COUNTRY’S CORRUPT OUSHGS

COUNTRY’S CORRUPT OUSHGS SYSTEM’S CORRUPT.

SYSTEM’S CORRUPT. BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE,

BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE, BERNIE.

BERNIE. YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL.

YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL. THAT OUR SYSTEM OF POLITICS IS

THAT OUR SYSTEM OF POLITICS IS CORRUPT -- THAT’S TOO STRONG.

CORRUPT -- THAT’S TOO STRONG. I’M SORRY.

I’M SORRY. IT HAS CORRUPT ASPECTS, BUT TO

IT HAS CORRUPT ASPECTS, BUT TO SAY OUR DEMOCRACY IS CORRUPT IS