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  • Voiceover: What I want to do in this video

  • is to give a not-too-math-y explanation

  • of why bond prices move

  • in the opposite direction as interest rates,

  • so bond prices versus interest rates.

  • To start off, I'll just start with a fairly simple bond,

  • one that does pay a coupon,

  • and we'll just talk a little bit about

  • what you'd be willing to pay for that bond

  • if interest rates moved up or down.

  • Let's start with a bond from some company.

  • Let me just write this down.

  • This could be company A.

  • It doesn't just have to be from a company.

  • It could be from a municipality

  • or it could be from the U.S. government.

  • Let's say it's a bond for $1,000.

  • Let's say it has a two-year maturity,

  • and let's say that it has a 10% coupon,

  • 10% coupon

  • paid semi-annually,

  • so this is semi-annual payments.

  • If we just draw the diagram for this,

  • obviously I ran out of space

  • on the actual bond certificate,

  • but let's draw a diagram of the payments for this bond.

  • This is today.

  • Let me do it in a different color.

  • That's today.

  • Let me draw a little timeline right here.

  • This is two years in the future when the bond matures,

  • so that is 24 months in the future.

  • Halfway is 12 months,

  • then this is 18 months,

  • and this right here is six months.

  • We went over a little bit of this

  • in the introduction to bond video,

  • but it's a 10% coupon paid semi-annually,

  • so it will pay us 10% of the par value per year,

  • but it's going to break it up into two six-month payments.

  • 10% of $1,000 is $100,

  • so they're going to give us $50 every six months.

  • They're going to give half of our 10% coupon

  • every six months,

  • so we're going to get $50 here,

  • $50 here,

  • these are going to be our coupon payments,

  • $50 there,

  • and then finally, at two years, we'll get $50,

  • and we'll also get the par value of our bond,

  • and we'll also get $1,000.

  • We'll get $1,000 plus $50 24 months from today.

  • Now, the day that this,

  • let's say this is today that we're talking about

  • the bond is issued,

  • and you look at that and you say, you know what?

  • For a company like company A,

  • for this risk profile,

  • given where interest rates are right now,

  • I think a 10% coupon is just about perfect.

  • So a 10% coupon is just about perfect,

  • so you say, you know what?

  • I think I will pay $1,000 for it.

  • So the price of the bond,

  • the price of that bond

  • right when it gets issued or on day zero, if you will,

  • you'll be willing to pay $1,000 for it

  • because you say, look, I'm getting roughly 10% a year,

  • and then I get my money back.

  • 10% is a good interest rate for that level of risk.

  • Now, let's say that the moment after you buy that bond,

  • just to make things a little bit ...

  • Obviously, interest rates don't move this quickly,

  • but let's say the moment after you buy that bond,

  • or maybe to be a little bit more realistic,

  • let's say the very next day,

  • interest rates go up.

  • If interest rates go up,

  • let me do this in a new color.

  • Let's say that interest,

  • interest rates go up,

  • and let's say they go up in such a way

  • that now that they've moved up

  • for this type of a company,

  • for this type of risk,

  • you could go out in the market and get 15% coupon.

  • So let's say for this type of risk,

  • you would now expect a 15% interest rate.

  • Obviously for something less risky,

  • you would expect less interest.

  • For a company just like company,

  • you would now expect a 15% interest rate.

  • Interest rates have gone up.

  • Now, let's say you need cash

  • and you come to me and you say,

  • "Hey, Sal, are you willing to buy

  • "this certificate off of me?

  • "I need some cash.

  • "I need some liquidity.

  • "I can't wait for the two years

  • "for me to get my money back.

  • "How much are you willing to pay for this bond?"

  • I'll say, you know what?

  • I'm going to pay you less than $1,000

  • because this bond is only giving me 10%.

  • I'm expecting 15%,

  • so I want to pay something less than $1,000,

  • that after I do all of the fancy math in my spreadsheet,

  • it will come out to be 15%,

  • so I'm going to pay,

  • so the price,

  • so in this situation, the price will go down.

  • I'll actually do the math with a simpler bond

  • than one that pays coupons right after this,

  • but I just want to give the intuitive sense.

  • If interest rates go up,

  • someone willing to buy that bond,

  • they'll say, "Gee, this only gives a 10% coupon.

  • "That's not the 15% coupon I can get on the open market.

  • "I'm going to pay less than $1,000 for this bond."

  • So the price will go down.

  • Or you could just essentially say

  • that the bond would be trading at a discount to par.

  • Bond would trade at a discount,

  • at a discount to par.

  • Now, let's say the opposite happens.

  • Let's say that interest rates go down.

  • Let's say that we're in a situation where interest rates,

  • interest rates go down.

  • So now, for this type of risk like company A,

  • people expect 5%.

  • People expect 5% rate.

  • So how much could you sell this bond for?

  • If you were there and if I had to just go

  • to companies issuing their bonds,

  • I would have to pay $1,000,

  • or roughly $1,000,

  • for a bond that only gives me a 5% coupon,

  • roughly, give or take.

  • I'm not being precise with the math.

  • I really just want to give you the gist of it.

  • So I would pay $1,000 for something giving a 5% coupon now.

  • This thing is giving me a 10% coupon,

  • so it's clearly better,

  • so now, the price would go up.

  • So now, I would pay more than par.

  • Or, you would say that this bond is trading at a premium,

  • a premium to par.

  • So at least in the gut sense,

  • when interest rates went up,

  • people expect more from the bond.

  • This bond isn't giving more,

  • so the price will go down.

  • Likewise, if interest rates go down,

  • this bond is getting more than what people's

  • expectations are,

  • so people are willing to pay more for that bond.

  • Now let's actually do it with an actual,

  • let's actually do the math

  • to figure out the actual price

  • that someone,

  • a rational person would be willing to pay for a bond

  • given what happens to interest rates.

  • And to do this,

  • I'm going to do what's called a zero-coupon bond.

  • I'm going to show you zero-coupon bond.

  • Actually, the math is much simpler on this

  • because you don't have to do it

  • for all of the different coupons.

  • You just have to look at the final payment.

  • So a zero-coupon bond

  • is literally a bond that just agrees to pay

  • the holder of the bond

  • the face value,

  • so let's say the face value,

  • the par value is $1,000 two years from today,

  • two years from today.

  • There is no coupon.

  • So if I were to draw a payout diagram,

  • it would just look like this.

  • This is today.

  • This is one year.

  • This is two years.

  • You just get $1,000.

  • Now let's say on day one,

  • interest rates for a company like company A,

  • this is company A's bonds,

  • so this is starting off, so day one,

  • day one.

  • Let's say people's expectations for this type of bond

  • is they want 10% per year interest.

  • So given that, how much would they be willing to pay

  • for something that's going to pay them back

  • $1,000 in two years?

  • The way to think about it is let's P in this ...

  • I'm going to do a little bit of math now,

  • but hopefully it won't be too bad.

  • Let's say P is the price

  • that someone is willing to pay for a bond.

  • So whatever price that is,

  • if you compound it by 10% for two years,

  • so I do 1.10,

  • that's one plus 10%,

  • so after one year,

  • if I compound it by 10%,

  • it will be P times this,

  • and then after another year,

  • I'll multiply it by 1.10 again.

  • This, essentially, is how much I should get after two years

  • if I'm getting 10% on my initial payment

  • or the initial amount that I'm paying for my bond.

  • This should be equal to,

  • this should be equal to the $1,000.

  • Let me just be very clear here.

  • P is what someone who expects 10% per year

  • for this type of risk

  • would be willing to pay for this bond.

  • So when you compound their payment by 10% for two years,

  • that should be equal to $1,000.

  • If you do the math here, you get

  • P times 1.1 squared is equal to 1,000,

  • or P is equal to 1,000 divided by 1.1 squared.

  • Another way to think about it is

  • the price that someone would be willing to pay

  • if they expect a 10% return

  • is the present value of $1,000 in two years

  • discounted by 10%.

  • This is 1.10, or one plus 10%.

  • So what is this number right here?

  • Let's get a calculator out.

  • Let's get the calculator out.

  • If we have 1,000 divided by 1.1 squared,

  • that's equal to $826 and ...

  • well, I'll just round down,

  • $826.

  • So this is $826.

  • So if you were to pay $826 today for this bond

  • and in two years, that company

  • would give you back $1,000,

  • you will have essentially have gotten

  • a 10% annual compounded interest rate on your money.

  • Now, what happens if the interest rate goes up,

  • let's say, the very next day?

  • And I'm not going to be very specific.

  • I'm going to assume it's always two years out.

  • It's one day less, but that's not going to change

  • the math dramatically.

  • Let's say it's the very next second

  • that interest rates were to go up.

  • Let's say second one,

  • so it doesn't affect our math in any dramatic way.

  • Let's say interest rates go up.

  • So now all of a sudden,

  • so interest, people expect more.

  • Interest goes up.

  • The new expectation is to have a 15% return

  • on a loan to a company like company A,

  • so now what's the price we're willing to pay?

  • We'll use the same formula.

  • The price is going to be equal to $1,000 divided by,

  • instead of discounting it by 10%,

  • we're going to discount it by 15% over two years,

  • so one plus 15% compounded over two years.

  • We bring out the calculator.

  • We bring out the calculator, and I think you have a sense

  • we have a larger number now in the denominator,

  • so the price is going to go down.

  • Let's actually calculate the math.

  • $1,000 divided by 1.15 squared

  • is equal to $756, give or take a little bit.

  • So now, the price has gone down.

  • The price is now $756.

  • This is how much someone is willing to pay

  • in order for them to get a 15% return

  • and get $1,000 in two years,

  • or get $1,000 in two years and essentially

  • for it to be a 15% return.

  • Now, just to finish up the argument,

  • what happens if interest rates go down?

  • Let's say interest,

  • the expected interest rate on this type of risk goes down,

  • and let's say it's now 5%.

  • What is someone willing to pay for this zero-coupon bond?

  • The price is, if you compound it two years by 1.05,

  • that should be equal to 1,000,

  • or the price is equal to 1,000

  • divided by two years of compounding at 5%.

  • You get the calculator out again.

  • We get $1,000 divided by 1.05 squared

  • is equal to $907.

  • So all of a sudden, we're willing to pay,

  • price is now $907.

  • You see mathematically when interest rates went up,

  • the price of the bond went from $826 to $756.

  • The price went down.

  • When interest rates went down,

  • the price went up.

  • I think it makes sense.

  • The more you expect,

  • the higher return you expect,

  • the less you're willing to pay for that bond.

  • Anyway, hopefully you found that helpful.

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