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  • - I enjoy doing all of it you know,

  • and I think all of it

  • makes the other things better, I think.

  • Being a comedian makes me a better actor

  • which makes me a better writer

  • and being a better writer makes me a better comedian,

  • makes you a better producer.

  • I think everything sort of feeds into each other.

  • The more you see other sides of the process,

  • I think the better.

  • My name is Kumail Nanjiani

  • and this is the timeline of my career.

  • - Who can tell me what this is?

  • - Anybody know?

  • - Is it a semi-automatic assault weapon?

  • [audience laughs]

  • - No, it's not.

  • It's what's called a snowmobile.

  • - It's possible, you could be right.

  • [audience laughs]

  • - [Kumail] The first time I'd ever done anything on TV

  • was Saturday Night Live.

  • Which feels like something people do many, many years in.

  • Basically I just moved to New York, I was doing open mics

  • and I met this guy who was a writer for SNL,

  • and they needed a brown guy for a sketch

  • and he just contacted me and he said,

  • "Hey, do you wanna be on Saturday Night Live?"

  • And I was like, "What do you mean?"

  • And he said, "We have a sketch and you'd have some lines."

  • And I said, "Okay!"

  • I was very, very scared.

  • The cast was in the scene and they had little lines,

  • I was the only one who was not part of the cast

  • who had lines.

  • But I remember Will Forte was right behind me

  • and he was very, very nice,

  • he said you know, "Just don't be nervous,

  • just read the cards, it'll be fine."

  • He saw that I was nervous.

  • Darrell Hammond was very nice, Kristen Wiig was very nice.

  • I did the dress rehearsal, I had three lines

  • and one of them didn't go great, and so they cut that line.

  • So when we actually did it, I had two lines.

  • I was extremely nervous, but it went well!

  • That was my first credit.

  • And then I wasn't on Saturday Night Live for 11, 12 years?

  • It took 11, 12 years to come back there.

  • I hadn't really considered

  • being on camera or being an actor at that point.

  • I was just sort of writing standup comedy,

  • I'd never even written for a TV show.

  • So it really felt like I jumped up a few steps

  • and I was like, "All right, Hollywood here I come!"

  • That did not happen.

  • - This is Sophie and her nanny Walter.

  • - Did you get him through a service?

  • - Uh, yep.

  • - Yeah?

  • - Yep.

  • - He's your cab driver, isn't he?

  • - Yep.

  • - Yeah.

  • So this guy Greg Berlanti who's

  • since created The Flash

  • and all the DC shows on, you know on TV.

  • A true genius.

  • He was directing a movie

  • called Life as We Know It with Katherine Heigl

  • and I just went in an audition for it and I improvised

  • and Greg liked me and he put me in the movie,

  • and I remember just sort of

  • improvising during all the scenes

  • and I was like, "All right, here we go,

  • my life's gonna be completely different

  • once this movie comes out."

  • Did not happen.

  • But it was very fun, I had a great time.

  • Life as We Know It was one of the first auditions I did

  • and I got the part, and I was like,

  • "Oh, this stuff is really, really easy!

  • Here we go!

  • Let's buy a boat."

  • None of that happened.

  • But I will say that was the biggest part I'd had in a movie

  • for many, many, many years.

  • After that I would get little parts and stuff,

  • but Life as We Know It,

  • I believe I had three scenes in that.

  • For about seven or eight years

  • that was the biggest part I'd had in a movie.

  • - Hey, welcome to Disaster Hut.

  • So I'm just gonna ask you some basic questions,

  • earthquakes, typhoons, tornados, super virus,

  • big landslides, you name it, we handle it.

  • Let's talk beans.

  • - Beans.

  • - I met Fred Armisen at Bumbershoot

  • which is a music festival in Seattle

  • that also does some comedy shows

  • and I had just had a profile in The New York Times,

  • like a sort of new up-and-coming guy.

  • And I was a huge fan of Fred's, you know.

  • And I have this thing when

  • I meet someone who I'm a big fan of,

  • I don't wanna fan out and so,

  • so sometimes I'll go the other way

  • and end up actually being rude

  • because I don't want them to know I'm a fan of them.

  • Fred was like,

  • "Hey really great profile in The New York Times!"

  • And I think I was like, "Yeah, I know."

  • And I just walked away, and then I was like,

  • "That was a huge mistake!"

  • And then a couple months later, oh my god,

  • all these things are connected.

  • I had done a reoccurring bit

  • on Colbert Report right after SNL,

  • and the director of that, her name's Al

  • then went on to do Portlandia

  • and I ran into her in New York on a subway.

  • So much luck, so much luck.

  • She just was like, "Hey, I have something for you

  • that I think you might be good in!"

  • And I said, "Okay sure,

  • whatever you want, you know, I'll take."

  • And then I got an email that said that

  • Carrie Brownstein of Sleater-Kinney and Fred Armisen

  • who I had been rude to very recently

  • were gonna do a new sketch show on IFC

  • which hadn't really done

  • a lot of original programming at the time,

  • and I talk to the director of that show Jon Krisel

  • and he was like, "I'm gonna send you a script,

  • I'm gonna send you a script, this is what it's about

  • and it's basically about a guy

  • who is trying to upsell them on a cellphone plan."

  • And I kept waiting for the script

  • and the script just never came, it just never came

  • so I went in without a script, there was no script.

  • Turns out most of that show is improvised,

  • they have a very loose idea of where they're going.

  • My call time was 6-6, we started shooting at 7 AM

  • and by 8:30 I was done.

  • And I remember we laughed so much during it,

  • it was so much fun and Fred and Carrie were so funny.

  • And I'd never seen a sketch show like that.

  • And I was like, "That was weird,

  • that was the easiest shoot I'd ever had

  • but I think that was really fun,

  • I think it went really, really good."

  • And it led to every job I've had since then.

  • Most birthdays in Pakistan a monkey shows up?

  • [audience laughs]

  • All right.

  • The fact that you just accepted that is racist.

  • [audience laughs]

  • But it also does happen?

  • [audience laughs]

  • So having like an hour-long comedy special to me

  • was sort of, that's how you know

  • you've arrived as a comedian.

  • Before that it was, have to be on Letterman.

  • I got to do Letterman, and then it was like,

  • all right I need an album and I need an hour special.

  • And I've been doing standup for a long time

  • but my standup voice had kind of changed

  • so even though I'd been doing standup for about,

  • wow, 10 years at that point,

  • a lot of those jokes weren't usable anymore,

  • they just weren't funny coming out of my mouth anymore.

  • So basically those were all jokes

  • that I'd written in the last two or three years,

  • I did an hour, I recorded it in Austin.

  • I had a great time.

  • Very proud of that special.

  • I would change the wardrobe.

  • I didn't realize that that's like, around forever

  • and I remember being like,

  • "Wow, I really crushed that outfit."

  • And it's just like, a very loose flannel,

  • the very loose hoodie.

  • No haircut.

  • What a disaster.

  • My parents saw the special, they really liked it

  • but you know, I think for them

  • it was a little bit of an adjustment.

  • I was such a shy kid, they had not anticipated

  • their son becoming like, a comedian or an actor.

  • Initially, they weren't very vocal with their support

  • but whenever I'd go to their house

  • there would be reviews and newspaper articles

  • and pictures of me up everywhere,

  • so I knew they were proud of me

  • and now they talk about it a lot more.

  • - Pindar Singh?

  • - Yes?

  • - I'm JD Adhira with CIB.

  • - Good god, we're both brown, brother.

  • I expect to be harassed by the FBI, the CIA, the NSA,

  • the TSA but not one of our own.

  • So Franklin and Bash happened

  • because right before that I'd written on a show

  • called Michael and Michael Have Issues

  • and they wanted the writers,

  • which is just me and Jessi Klein

  • who later went on to be like

  • the head writer of Inside Amy Schumer, amazing writer.

  • They wanted us to be in the show.

  • So we wrote the first season, I was in that show,

  • I had a great time acting

  • and we started writing the second season

  • and we got canceled as we were writing the second season

  • and that was really heartbreaking,

  • I was like, "Oh, I don't wanna be that involved with

  • the show anymore."

  • That it's like super heartbreaking when it goes away,

  • so as soon as it went away I was like,

  • "All right, I like acting, I just wanna like see if

  • I can get an acting job,

  • I'll be a little bit more chill about it!

  • Let's just see if that happens."

  • So I flew out to LA and I stayed at my friend's house

  • and there's a thing called pilot season,

  • or it used to be a thing, it's not so much a thing anymore

  • where two or three months they're just sorta

  • casting all the new shows that are gonna get shot

  • and new pilots that are gonna get shot.

  • So I ended up auditioning for so many pilots,

  • I didn't get any of them and then I flew back to New York

  • and I was like, oh that's too bad.

  • That didn't work out.

  • And then I put myself on tape for one more show,

  • it was a show called Franklin and Bash on TNT

  • starring Mark-Paul Gosselaar and Breckin Meyer

  • and they flew me out, I remember I tested for it

  • which is sort of the last round of auditioning

  • and then I got the part!

  • And I was very excited, 'cause I was like,

  • "Okay, I get to now act

  • and I don't have to like, write anything

  • for a little while."

  • That moved us out to LA and yeah,

  • started shooting that show, I had no idea what I was doing

  • but everyone was very supportive.

  • That's sort of unfortunately the show where

  • I kinda figured out how to act, how to be on set,

  • all that kind of stuff,

  • ended up doing that show for three seasons.

  • It was just great for the first time in my life

  • having a paycheck that was consistent from comedy,

  • you know, I hadn't had that.

  • I had an office job when I was doing standup in Chicago

  • but suddenly I was making regular money from acting

  • and that felt amazing

  • and we only shot for I think

  • four or five months out of the year,

  • so the rest of the year I was able to do

  • what I wanted to do.

  • I could write the kinda stuff I wanted to write,

  • I could do standup

  • and I didn't have to worry about paying my rent.

  • I mean, I didn't wanna go back to having an office job

  • but I guess, if it came to it,

  • I'm just really getting scared thinking about it.

  • Hey, maybe, it could still happen.

  • - He didn't actually do anything wrong.

  • - He worked for Endframe, the pieces of [bleeps]

  • that stole our algorithm.

  • - Yeah, so by the transitive property

  • he is therefore also a piece of [bleeps].

  • - Well, the pieces of [bleeps] fired him,

  • so his piece of [bleeps] status is reversed.

  • - Okay, fine.

  • So the transitive property may no longer apply

  • but the reflexive property states

  • everything is equal to itself,

  • so since he's a piece of [bleeps]

  • he's a piece of [bleeps].

  • So I'd done Franklin and Bash for three seasons,

  • it's sort of this drama procedural

  • and even though my character got to be funny

  • I really wanted to be on a show that was a pure comedy.

  • So I talked to the creators at that show,

  • Kevin Falls and Bill Chais, really, really lovely guys

  • and I was like, "I love this show, I love you guys,

  • I love working with everyone

  • but I really, really feel like I wanna be on a show

  • where that's like a true sitcom,

  • a real like, comedy comedy."

  • And they understood and they said,

  • "Okay, well, we'll let you out of the contract

  • if you'll do one more season."

  • Because usually a contract is for seven years

  • and nobody lets you out, but these guys were so nice,

  • they were like, "Okay, do seven out of 10 episodes

  • and then you can audition for other stuff."

  • So while I was shooting Franklin and Bash,

  • I heard that there was a new show by Mike Judge

  • who I was a huge fan of

  • from Beavis and Butthead and Office Space,

  • huge, huge fan,

  • that he had a new show on HBO

  • and if I wanted to audition for it,

  • and I heard this I remember before Christmas

  • and my audition was like, mid-January,

  • so entire Christmas I was super nervous,

  • I was like, "Oh my god, this sounds like a dream job,

  • I would love to do this with this guy on this channel,

  • it's gonna be so good."

  • I auditioned for two parts on the show

  • and the auditions went well,

  • but they called me, you know, and said,

  • "We really like you,

  • we don't think you're right for either of these parts

  • but don't worry, we're gonna write a part for you."

  • Now people always say that, that never happens.

  • That never happens.

  • That's a way of being like, "Sorry, you didn't get it."

  • So I was like, "Oh my god, that's too bad I didn't get it."

  • Then I was in a flight I remember, I forget where

  • and then I landed.

  • I had a voicemail and they said that

  • I'd gotten an offer to be in Silicon Valley,

  • that they'd written a part for me.

  • I remember on the phone being like, "Yes, I'll do it!"

  • And they were like,

  • "Well, we have to play a little bit hard to get."

  • And I was like, "Okay, whatever you gotta do."

  • And then I think the next day,

  • Mike or one of the head writers called

  • to convince me to do it and I was like,

  • "Yeah guys, I'm doing the show, don't worry about it."

  • [laughs]

  • I got nothing else going on!

  • Yeah, ended up doing that show for six seasons,

  • one of the just the best experiences of my life,

  • and that show just ended just a few months ago.

  • I'm very sad that the show's over,

  • I'm gonna miss everybody I worked with.

  • We really became a family.

  • But I'm also glad that

  • we got to end the show on our own terms

  • and to get six seasons from a comedy today?

  • I mean, so rare.

  • Hard to complain.

  • I know you guys said that you don't need me to stay

  • but I think I'm just gonna wait anyways.

  • - [Hunter] You guys broke up!

  • I am not sure why you're here.

  • You don't have to worry about

  • being committed to anything, Kumail.

  • You didn't want to when she was awake,

  • there is nothing to do when she's unconscious.

  • - It's more complicated than that.

  • - [Hunter] Is it?

  • - So a few years had gone by since the events of the film

  • and I'd sorta started thinking,

  • I think this would be an interesting story to tackle,

  • I knew nobody else had this story,

  • it was a story about a Pakistani muslim man

  • who falls in love with a white woman, white American woman

  • while she's in a coma.

  • I knew nobody else had that story and if we didn't tell it

  • that story would just not get told,

  • so I'd started thinking like

  • maybe this is something to tackle.

  • There was a lot about it that we hadn't processed yet.

  • And so I mentioned it to Emily, I said,

  • "I think we need to write it."

  • And initially, Emily was very hesitant, you know,

  • she was sort of like, "I don't know, it feels too personal."

  • We were still dealing with the sort of the trauma of it,

  • is this something we wanna do?

  • What I didn't realize was what an act of therapy it would be

  • to sort of really go through

  • and think about those days you know,

  • because it was such a crazy thing,

  • every day was so intense and weird

  • and then suddenly it was done and she was awake

  • and she was fine and that experience was like,

  • this black box that I never looked into.

  • And then in writing the movie, we really had to

  • sort of open up and sift through and try and remember

  • what it felt like to go through that stuff

  • and it really ended up being very therapeutic to do that.

  • We had written this story, we had shot this story,

  • this movie, we loved the movie,

  • we'd really, really worked really, really hard on it.

  • I had not considered the idea

  • that anybody would watch this thing.

  • We didn't make it for it to be watched, we just made it.

  • I had not even considered that people would watch it.

  • So I remember we were at Sundance, it got into Sundance,

  • we were sitting there, the movie was about to start,

  • we were in this huge theater, like 1500 people.

  • Eccles Theater it's called,

  • it's the biggest theater in Sundance.

  • And Emily looked over to me and said,

  • "You know this is the last time

  • that this is gonna be our story?

  • Now it's gonna sort of belong to other people."

  • And that was the first time it sort of hit me,

  • I was like, "Oh, yeah!

  • Other people get to watch this thing,

  • we can't just like, it's not

  • just our little thing anymore."

  • And so that was definitely an adjustment

  • and Emily had prepared herself for it mentally,

  • I had really not prepared myself for it.

  • And so doing that and suddenly

  • putting a lot of personal stuff out there

  • was kinda weird 'cause now suddenly

  • people knew everything about us.

  • I really pour myself into the things I do and I really care,

  • but soon as it's done I've sort of moved on

  • so by the time The Big Sick came out,

  • even though we promoted it a lot,

  • we were sort of done with that movie.

  • We'd processed that story, we'd written it,

  • we'd shot it, we'd edited it.

  • We were kinda done with it, you know.

  • And then that's the other weird thing is that

  • people wanna talk about something

  • when you're actually done with it and you have moved on, so.

  • To me there's, I never feel like

  • I wanna enjoy the success of anything because I feel like,

  • "Oh, that's the past version of me,

  • what can this version of me do."

  • You know?

  • Maybe that's the only good thing I'll ever do

  • so now I gotta keep going, find something else.

  • - You totally killed tonight.

  • [audience cheers]

  • Killed tonight.

  • - Did you guys see a little boy?

  • - [Man] Killed tonight.

  • [suspenseful music]

  • - The Twilight Zone.

  • - So I'd done a little part on Key and Peele years ago

  • and I knew Jordan a little bit.

  • For Big Sick when we were sort of

  • doing the awards circuit thing,

  • that was the same year that Get Out had come out

  • and was sort of, you know, getting nominated and winning

  • so we would see Jordan at

  • all the same parties almost every day

  • and we became really close, we became friends.

  • And then he called me and he said,

  • "We're rebooting The Twilight Zone,

  • would you wanna be in an episode of it?"

  • And I was like, "Are you kidding, that's a dream come true,

  • I grew up loving The Twilight Zone,

  • still love The Twilight Zone."

  • Love Jordan, such a huge fan of his,

  • so I was like, "Yeah, I would love to do it!"

  • And they kinda pitched me the story

  • and I really, it really felt very personal to me,

  • I really connected to it as a comedian,

  • and I said "That sounds great!"

  • And it's not like any kind of, it felt to me like

  • a good update of Twilight Zone and that it felt like

  • the old Twilight Zone but it was about new things,

  • about issues that are current

  • to society right now and yeah, so.

  • That one was very easy, they asked me and I said yes.

  • Shooting it was different because it's,

  • to this day the darkest part I've ever played.

  • But I remember I was really exhausted

  • when I was done with it

  • even though it was only like a ten day shoot or something,

  • it was very short.

  • And I was like, "Oh I guess this sort of

  • must have played some sort of toll on me."

  • Because it was only ten days but by the end

  • I was like, emotionally, completely drained.

  • But it was really, really fun playing like

  • a truly scary guy who really did

  • some pretty bad things.

  • [laughs]

  • - [Man] Only in America

  • do you add tax after you see the ticket price.

  • - Only in America can such a perfect game exist.

  • Baseball.

  • - Our friend Lee Eisenberg who I'd done a pilot with

  • many, many years ago at Comedy Central

  • that didn't end up getting made,

  • but we sort of kept in touch since then

  • and Lee had this eye for a TV show

  • and I wanna tell you guys about.

  • And right after The Big Sick had come out,

  • a lot of people had been contacting us wanting to sort of,

  • wanting us to be involved in TV shows or movies

  • and to this day, Little America is the only thing

  • that we've said yes to together because

  • it just was such an undeniably great idea, dude,

  • I was like, "There's no show like this."

  • There's hundreds of TV shows now,

  • there are more TV shows now than ever in history

  • and we're the only show that's an anthology show

  • telling stories based on true lives of immigrants.

  • We really wanted to have the actors be people who were

  • really connected to the story in terms of country of origin

  • and things like that, so it just felt like

  • this was a platform to give chances to other actors

  • who hadn't gotten that chance to sort of

  • be the lead of something yet.

  • So I was just really excited to be behind the scenes

  • and watch other people do the difficult stuff, you know,

  • not that my job wasn't difficult, but theirs was more.

  • I found out that I was gonna be in Eternals

  • which is a Marvel movie that

  • comes out later this year, November 6th.

  • I found out a year before we started shooting

  • that I was gonna be in the movie.

  • This was like, eight or nine months before you know,

  • they announced it or the story got leaked

  • that I was gonna be in it, so it was like,

  • "Okay, this is how much time I have,

  • I need to get into the best shape of my life."

  • Because I was playing the first Pakistani,

  • first South Asian superhero in a mainstream Hollywood movie,

  • certainly the first one in a Marvel movie

  • and it was important to me that this guy looked like

  • somebody who could hang with Thor or Captain America

  • or any of these guys, you know.

  • I didn't want the first brown superhero

  • to also be the first shlubby superhero.

  • So I was like, all right

  • I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life!

  • And while we were working on Little America

  • was while I was really in the thick of doing

  • the training and the diet and all of that

  • so I remember I would go into

  • the edit of Little America right after going to workout

  • and all the people involved with that show

  • knew why I was doing it,

  • so in my mind my memories of

  • working on Little America are intertwined with

  • my memories of doing very, very difficult

  • soul-crushing workouts all the time.

  • Those are very, very linked.

  • Yeah.

  • It took a lot of time.

  • How do I feel about how it's all turned out?

  • So far?

  • It's been okay.

  • I feel like if there are infinite parallel universes

  • this is the only one where

  • I'm being interviewed by Vanity Fair on my career,

  • so I feel very, very lucky.

  • I feel just very, very lucky that

  • I've been able to do the things

  • that I've gotten to be able to do

  • but I also know things can turn very quickly in this biz,

  • you can have opportunities, suddenly they can go away.

  • Which is why it's always about the next thing, you know.

  • What's the next thing that's gonna be exciting

  • that'll hopefully happen

  • and hopefully people will connect to?

  • So I don't think of it as a whole career thing,

  • I just think of it as what do I wanna do right now

  • and what do I wanna do next.

- I enjoy doing all of it you know,

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