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After a tense build up, at last Britain and the EU
have secured a Brexit deal.
I'm joined by Anne-Sylvaine Chassany, our world news
editor, to discuss these dramatic developments
and whether it might actually, finally lead
to a resolution of the Brexit issue.
Anne-Sylvaine, it's been a very dramatic morning
hearing that this breakthrough was real or not just a mirage.
But do you think that the mood in the rest of Europe
is just relief that at least, at least something has changed,
or do you think they really think
that they've secured a good mutually beneficial Brexit
deal?
Yeah.
There is a sentiment that there's a deal there
that is actually not far from the withdrawal
deal, the withdrawal agreement that Teresa May initially
negotiated, but you know respecting
the EU red lines, especially with regards
to the island of Ireland, and the integrity
of the single market.
So, yes, there is hope that this deal can be...
can allow an orderly exit of Great Britain, of the UK,
out of the EU.
And obviously, you know, this is only
the start of long negotiations.
And that transition period will now be ensured, right?
Which is extremely important for both sides to minimise
disruption.
Absolutely.
And so the big change is that, I mean, compared
with the previous withdrawal agreement,
is that Northern Ireland is now part
of the EU customs with mechanism to keep it also
part of the British customs.
And so, you know, and also from a regulatory point of view,
Northern Ireland would be aligned, especially on goods,
with the EU.
And EU laws will apply to Northern Ireland.
So, in a way, the EU had red lines
and they are respected from that point of view.
But then the rest of the UK, Great Britain
without Northern Ireland, is very firmly out, right?
In fact, this is quite a hard Brexit
for the rest of the UK with Northern Ireland.
Well almost partitioned off in terms of customs.
There is a border.
There's a border.
You know checks will be made...
will be made at...
between the Irish Sea.
Yes.
So, yes.
But that's, yeah.
That's basically what the deal is about.
And also I think down the line there
might be some divergence in terms of regulatory mechanism
or framework.
And the question now will be Northern Ireland.
So here in the UK, of course, it's
very politically fraught still.
Yeah.
And agreeing the deal between the UK government and Brussels
and then the rest of the EU governments
also need to come on board.
Barnier assumes they will, correct?
Tonight.
Yeah.
You know, it's remarkable to see how the EU has
conducted these negotiations.
Very united front.
Barnier has negotiated.
He's going to present that deal tonight,
but everybody's on board, Macron, Merkel, et cetera.
So I think that's going to be a formality tonight.
So then the drama will move to the UK,
where on Saturday there is this special sitting of the House
of Commons.
Hasn't happened since the early 80s during the Falklands war.
Really very dramatic thing to do to call parliament
to a sitting on Saturday.
And then it would be a question of can
Boris Johnson achieve what Theresa May was not able to do.
Because, of course, she also agreed a deal with the EU.
But then three times it failed dramatically
and by a large margin in the House of Commons.
So Boris Johnson has now got to try and play off these
different sides, buy in some Labour votes,
and keep his right wing onside.
And still, the DUP - the Democratic Unionist party -
those 10 MPs who've been keeping the Tory party afloat
since they lost their majority, they're not quite on board.
I mean how much will Brussels also
be worrying about the political drama in the UK?
Or do they think that Boris Johnson
is such a sort of different figure
that he can pull it off politically?
That's probably what Boris Johnson has told them -
that he would be able to bring these DUP MPs on board.
And so that's really a question of...
really a question for you is how unity...
which extent Boris Johnson would be able to bring them on board?
Can he bend them before Saturday?
What do you think?
It's extraordinary.
I mean he's got to...
his right wing, the ERG - the European Research Group
- some of them are now in his cabinet.
So those people are now completely
on board for his plan.
They will clearly be recommending, and have
done, to their colleagues on the right of the Tory party
and also to the Democratic Unionists: come on,
you've got to back this deal.
But for the DUP this issue of having different conditions
in Northern Ireland, it's a fundamental existential problem
for them.
Because the reason their party exists is to defend the union.
And so, you know, it will be an amazing trick
if he pulls it off.
The thing that, I think, will help him
is one of his concessions in the negotiations.
So he has agreed, in the political declaration -
which is the kind of foreword to the withdrawal agreement -
to keep in there promises on regulatory alignment.
Which means lots of things, like workers' rights,
environmental protections, et cetera.
That could help him buy in a few crucial Labour party MPs,
19 of whom wrote to the EU last week asking for a deal which
contained these elements.
So I think there's going to be some very interesting sort
of interplay between Number 10 and these individuals
on the Labour party benches.
That's interesting.
Well we'll see on Saturday if he can pull it off.
We will see on Saturday.
But then we will move on, as you quite rightly
said to years and years of further negotiation.
It's only the start of long, long, you know,
discussions and debates.