Miss Clark, reference the nondiscrimination guidance for LGBT individuals under the equal access rule.

Again, we've been talking about this for some time where we left it last year.

You were You were not going to replace the guidance that instructs providers how to do this.

Um, and I and I want a paraphrase, and I'm gonna make sure I get it roughly right.

He said I wouldn't like the guidance you put up.

I and I believe presumably because in my mind it would allow or promote discrimination against LGBT Q.

Particularly the trans community.

It's still not up.

How did the program operate?

How does the law that requires equal access work without guidance?

Appropriate guidance is going to be put up.

It's being worked on.

But the reason that I said reference, that's the third year in a row.

You said that the reason that I said that the reason I said you probably wouldn't like it is because from what you've said in the past, you don't agree with my statement that everybody gets equal rights, but nobody gets extra eyes will get special rights in non discrimination.

Well, let's put it this way, lying that is somewhat control plans.

They have to get special rights just to use the shelter.

I can tell you the answer when you have a single sex shelter and it's there specifically for women who are abused.

And then people come in who do not appear to be women.

But they say their women and you have to accept them does does that impinge upon the rights of those women?

We have, ah, lot of documentation from those women that said, It does impinge upon that right?

So if you can give it.

And I said this when I came to Chicago and spoke with your group, which I enjoyed being with him, I thought they were great people.

But I said this.

If you can show May how you take care of that individual who and only thing you want to do is go on the basis of what they say that gender is.

You can show me how to be fair to them and at the same time be fair to those women who are saying they're very uncomfortable with that.

I am all ears.

You're the Onley person I have ever heard bring up that issue and in three years, first fall in three years.

We don't have the guidance, which belies any credibility.

You have that respectfully, that this is ever going to happen so that that means in three years the protections haven't been in place.

You've never documented what you just talked about and the extraordinary.

I can't begin to imagine how people feel.

So you're telling the trans community that because of how you perceive how some people react to them, it's okay to discriminate.

I have lots of letters from women's groups.

It's not just how I perceive it.

So let's just assume for a second that there's some people out there who object to this.

You're saying that because some people think it's okay to discriminate that that you have to go along with that, too.

Despite the law, it's not what I'm saying at all, but you're saying that if someone doesn't like someone else in that shelter, for whatever reasons that you can allow discrimination against those people know what I'm saying is we have to take everybody's feelings into consideration.

You can't just select a group and say that their feelings trump everyone else's groups.

It goes back to the basics.

They have always been people who discriminate against others.

What you're saying is those people have the right to do that, and therefore the federal government can back up that right to discriminate.

And let's understand what people who are gonna be on the street is.

This this discrimination that you're hearing about Is this based on what?

Their notion of what their faith tells him.

It's okay.

I want other people.

I want everybody to be taken care of.

And I said, That's not if they're not being allowed to participate because somebody thinks it's okay to discriminate suggested that there are ways to do that there.

And you're telling the trans community that they can't make a decision as as to their what they are, that they're not best.

I'm saying that this one, no one's rights, get to obliterate everybody else's.

You're pretty well obliterated when you're on the street and you're not allowed to be in the facility, you know, that's that's the fundamental right that's being taken care of, not your notion that someone else feels it's okay to discriminate.

Do this from a king, can you?

Because I know you're passionate about this issue.

Can you come?

A passion is the people on the street Can you come up with a way that is fair to all the different groups that are involved?

Yes, there's no discrimination.

You can't discriminate because there are some people who you tell us what?

They don't like other people because of the way they look.

We agree in that I'm still way don't agree.

First of all, I don't wantto make clear we don't agree on any of that.

I'm asking you to come up with a solution that takes into consideration.

The law says you can't discriminate.

That's my solution.