- Sure.

- Sorry Dan, I'm John.

- John.

- Cool.

- So, in terms of interest, some people make interest

into a hobby and hobby into like a career, yeah business.

What are your thoughts on that?

Because I have like a lot of different weird hobbies

and also interest and I don't know where to go with that.

So I'm 19 trying to do this freelancing stuff.

I think it's way too common, in terms of like photography,

and like videography stuff.

So I don't know where to go from there, kind of stuck.

- What's your goal?

- What's my goal?

- Yeah.

- Well, that's the thing, I don't have a goal.

And I'm lost in terms of finding that goal,

because you said, start with a skill.

Like Yeah, I can just find a skill that I enjoy developing

but in terms of goal I don't really have that.

Unless like my goal is to you know,

be the best at that one thing, which is like.

- Why do you wake up in the morning?

- Why do I wake up in the morning?

- What motivates you?

- That's a good question.

I mean, like, I don't know what motivates me but.

- That's a good question to start off with.

- Yeah, sure.

- Before we do anything else, right?

What if I can't figure it out?

Or what if I've been attempting to

but I can't like figure it out?

- I think for anybody, like an example,

if I was your age at 19 years old.

- Yeah.

- My why was my mom.

- Right, okay.

- I needed to take care of my mom.

There was no hobby.

There was no anything else except taking care of my mom.

That becomes my sole focus.

- Right.

- And that gave me a lot clarity in life.

Because I put that ahead of anything else.

So maybe sometimes I notice, I don't know enough

about your family, right?

- Yeah.

(laughs)

- Sometimes comfort may not be such a good thing.

- That's the thing because I've been so, I know,

I'm very lucky because I'm from Malaysia, right?

You know, I was lucky enough to come over here and start

to study and the whole thing that like, you know, my dad

always telling me like what he had to go through

to put me here.

It's kind of making me like, oh, instead of feeling

like okay, I need to give back but it's more like,

wow, it's too comfortable.

- Yeah.

- And I, yeah.

- Usually because I noticed when people don't figure

what they want to do usually because they haven't

experienced enough pain.

- Wow.

- Life is good, it's comfortable.

- I don't think like there's like physical pain, you know?

- But the pain

- Yeah, right.

- So when you experience pain, you will know life

is precious, then you won't ___ around.

- Yeah, okay fair enough.

- When I say precious meaning, when my dad passed away,

when they got divorced, when I was in debt, all these things

at a young age it tells me you know, I don't, sometimes

you don't know what you want.

It's very good to figure out what you don't want.

- Right.

- What I know I don't want is, I don't want to struggle.

I want to be able to care for the people I love.

So that gave me a lot of clarity

- Oh yeah, so I actually just put myself in debt.

So like I know what that is?

- No, not necessary.

But then when you are, so example your mom and dad together.

- Yeah, they're fine.

- They're good, right?

- They're Good.

- Now just paint a picture in your mind,

it's gonna be dark, but I mean.

- Okay.

(laughs)

- Suddenly your dad can't support you anymore.

- Yup, I'd be sent back home.

And then your mom is sick.

She's in hospital but your dad can't support you anymore

because your mom is sick.

She, and he can he can't even provide

the best health care for you mom.

- Yeah.

- What would you do?

- I think do what I'm already doing now, but just develop

it further than already, yeah, okay I see what you mean

- And would you still kind of,

"Well I'm not so sure about what I like."

Or would you say, "I don't give a shit."

- Just doing what's already working

and just grow from there.

- Have you seen that it's given you more clarity

if you think of it that way

But think of that, it has not happened.

- Right.

- It's okay, that's just a scenario.

- Thank God.

- But, what if it happens?

Nothing pains a son more when your family needs help,

desperate needs help, you cannot help them.

- Right.

- There's nothing with pain, you will remember

that for the rest of your life.

And if your mother passed away, because as a lack

of ambition early on in your part, because as son,

you didn't develop the ability, you fucked around.

You will not forgive yourself.

- Yeah.

- And you will look at things very differently from now on.

And you will become a extraordinary person.

Think about that.

- Okay, thanks.

(laughs)

See you later.

Oh, we say, I need that film, I to like re play that 24/7

Did you film that?

- Yes.

- Thank you, thank you.