Yeah.

Did you feel that was a good schools?

Retired also at the end of this tournament?

I think it was that.

Was that a discussion you had with Paul?

Schools were playing on the left, and you ever find that a problem?

Putting that midfield together?

No.

And you know, at that time this was the best for mid videos we had in England.

And does that always helped the team, though a few pictures.

The best four.

I think you I think you cannot.

I could not at that time put one of these on the bench and some people I want.

I wonder if they press would have said if I put one of them on the bench.

Well, some people were saying you were picking on reputation.

No, no.

I picked because I was convinced these four on the best, and I was always convinced that the other than love power could play together.

You could have put steering rod to the left, maybe and put schools in the middle, but anyhow, this for me and I still believe it was the best team at that time.

Also, just going back to this spent.

I think the team was called the Golden Generation.

Certainly those plays, they are, well, class plays.

I agree they were before the assessment fielders individually, but a lot of these players now, when we spoke about 442 at the top of the show, was there ever anything in you?

Think away.

You could actually play those three essentially, and you could actually play a 433 or 451 Would that be in problem then with the strikers, one of them going to the left?

I think it would be difficult, made the room.

He could play wide.

But you know, the players, the only one who was not used to play in this position with schools, but I mean schools.

He came in all ways.

I didn't stay as a winger.

He came in and helped them and got the ball and things like that.

So it was not a big problem for for pulling.

But when he stepped away from international football, did you try and convince?

Yes, I asked him to think about it for one month during the holiday, but he said no.

Uh, and that was had nothing to do with formation.

I think he he didn't want to be away from his family that long time.

And I remember one day when we should train penalty shoot outs.

Ah, 2004.

I guess it was.

It was.

And I said, All of the players who wants to take part of that come here and stay with me after training on all the others?

And Paul went So I said, Paul, come, come here.

What's what's happening then it's that both Do you think I'm on the pitch after 90 minutes?

Plus twice 15?

No, I said I don't think so.

I will not be on the pizza with this heat.

Is that because he had some ass mind things like that?

So you could Was that one of you brought him off because he actually think of the ship to cheat in the game off the after one hour.

He couldn't do it anymore.

Most of the times a ll.

The times he was saying finished.

And that was a pity.

Of course because pull a great player.

But I think we never saw his best in a big tournament.

Yeah, Jamie talks about this golden generation.

She's a phrase which has been used a lot but at the time and maybe even reflecting on it's Ben Was there one type of player that that you felt England lacked at that time?

Hey, England has always been famous for great goalkeepers.

Before I came to England and we had good goalkeepers, but we didn't have Ah, the big, big, big World close keeper.

Maybe that was one thing and upfront.

Yes, we had room anywhere.

The woman after that, Not really a top top class.

We had a lot of good strikers, but not on that level toe win the World Cup.

So in terms the goalkeepers.

But does that explain why we had a different one in each of the three major tournaments that you Yeah, we had Robinson were James.

We had the David Seaman David see Manya 2002 family get David Seaman Evil.

It's a great goalkeeper, but they did seem on when I came.

I think it was 30 my mate.